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If these things concern you: Soapbox is developed by a massive TERF, boyfriend/husband to the founder, and co-founder of the transphobic, radical "feminist" ha

If these things concern you: Soapbox is developed by a massive TERF, boyfriend/husband to the founder, and co-founder of the transphobic, radical "feminist" hate-platform spinster.xyz. This is where all the TERFs migrated after the reddit ban of /r/gendercritical, /r/LGBdroptheT, ... I think in this case, it's really hard to separate the product from the person, since it's all over the place; he's at the core of organized transphobia, harassment and hate.

rglullis 6y ago
The fact that you are trying to cancel Alex tells me more about you than him.
- 488643689 6y ago
  Sure, sharing information, so other people can make their decisions as they please... Is this the cancle culture apocalypse the right is talking about? Weren't consumer decisions once held differently? Or is it because there is no money spend, it's not ethics anymore?
  - japanoise 6y ago
    Best not to engage. Terfs have a vested interest in appearing to be civil, but shrinking into the background when pushed, since the facts refute their position.
  - rglullis 6y ago
    Let's share some more information, then. Alex is also an atheist and the kind of annoying vegan advocate. I am a Christian Orthodox and I roll my eyes every time I see him talking about any of his soybean-dirt-based meals or the typical shallow sophomore religion-bashing post. Should I just interact with those that are exactly like me? > Is this the cancel culture apocalypse the right is talking about? Asking people to not separate the product from the person, and think that the guy does not deserve any praise for his work because of some association with people that disagree with you? Yes, that's cancel culture that (not just) the right is talking about. Trying to label everyone that holds an opposing view as "hateful" without absolutely no room for dialog? Yes, that's cancel culture that (not just) the right is talking about. > it's not ethics anymore? Does Soapbox come with some kind of clause that says you need to share their views to use their code? Is the product itself exclusionary in any way? Then no, ethics have nothing to do with it.
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    - orwin 6y ago
      > Asking people to not separate the product from the person Sorry, but why should i separate the product from the person? I'm not boycotting lactalys because their product are bad, they are quite good in fact, but he way the brand owner used to treat his employees, and the way they still treat milk producers irks me. I don't want to contribute to a person fortune if i don't like him or his way of treating people. Should i buy some Nestlé product for convenience when i know that people gaining the most of the deal are not even apologetic about the contaminated water scandals? When they knew about African water and still sold mothers powder milk? I quite like some of their other product, i just don't want to give them my money. It is the same for this soapbox product, no? I don't care if it is cancelled tbh, i just don't want the people behind the product to get my money, is this bad? Also there is room for dialog, i've talk quite extensively with a sodastream ambassador. Still won't ever buy their products, but we did talk.
      - rglullis 6y ago
        > It is the same for this soapbox product, no? Absolutely not the same. His work was not achieved due to exploitation of anyone. His personal views do not change the usage of the product and do not mandate any kind of compliance or agreement to any of his values. You want to put someone who simply expresses a contrarian view on the same stand as someone who actively exploits their employees? > I don't care if it is cancelled tbh, i just don't want the people behind the product to get my money, is this bad? First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist... Yes, pretty bad. This is the seed of totalitarianism that is planted in most progressives minds and speeches. You just don't think is bad because you are not in the out-group yet.
        Miner49er 6y ago
        An open source project is different then like a chair or something. Part of the value of open source is the community around it. You can contribute to the code and ask around for support, but that requires associating or at least potentially associating with the creator. If that creator is someone you don't want to associate with then why not just find a different project to use?
  - 488643689 6y ago
    How ironic, me stating some simple public facts got "cancelled" here. Guess, this whole free speech thing is not meant for everyone. Pretty sad, HN...
Vosporos 6y ago
Thanks for the fair warning
Hitton 6y ago
In the age of J.K. Rowling being called TERF could probably majority of population be called TERFs, I see such labels no longer useful. And unless you subscribe to notions such as guilt by association, ancestral sin and similar I don't know how is conduct of developer's spouse relevant.
- Angostura 6y ago
  Well, that's an easy way to render all labels unusable to you isn't. I saw a really odd object labelled as a table once. I now have literally no idea what a table is.
- 488643689 6y ago
  As I mentioned we're talking about the the migration of reddit's GC, which is a community actively harassing and willfully hurting trans people. You know, some things are actually real.
  - icy 6y ago
    I actually checked out r/GenderCritical just before it got banned -- and it's nothing like what you describe it as. I only found mature, good faith discussions regarding the trans issue.
    - 488643689 6y ago
      Yes, same as the /r/the_donald and the other freedom-loving, harmless, open debate subs banned. Guess, Reddit just hates women and white people.
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- Spivak 6y ago
  I feel like the case you're trying to make that JK is a "normal" person and therefore her views are common. This isn't an instance where someone who happens to hold an unorthodox opinion is caught by people trying to apply labels to her. She isn't getting caught up in the fight between feminists and the broader cultural push for trans acceptance. She's been on the front lines of this fight for years and years. It just happens that one, people are starting to actually care about trans people and two, JK decided to start venting more publicly on the largest outrage machine on the internet. Very few people are TERFs. It's a relatively uncommon set of beliefs which are separate from the kinds of views that might get you called transphobic.
67868018 6y ago
Every day you use inventions designed by abhorrent people. Get used to it.

rglullis 6y ago

The fact that you are trying to cancel Alex tells me more about you than him.

488643689 6y ago
Sure, sharing information, so other people can make their decisions as they please... Is this the cancle culture apocalypse the right is talking about? Weren't consumer decisions once held differently? Or is it because there is no money spend, it's not ethics anymore?
- japanoise 6y ago
  Best not to engage. Terfs have a vested interest in appearing to be civil, but shrinking into the background when pushed, since the facts refute their position.
- rglullis 6y ago
  Let's share some more information, then. Alex is also an atheist and the kind of annoying vegan advocate. I am a Christian Orthodox and I roll my eyes every time I see him talking about any of his soybean-dirt-based meals or the typical shallow sophomore religion-bashing post. Should I just interact with those that are exactly like me? > Is this the cancel culture apocalypse the right is talking about? Asking people to not separate the product from the person, and think that the guy does not deserve any praise for his work because of some association with people that disagree with you? Yes, that's cancel culture that (not just) the right is talking about. Trying to label everyone that holds an opposing view as "hateful" without absolutely no room for dialog? Yes, that's cancel culture that (not just) the right is talking about. > it's not ethics anymore? Does Soapbox come with some kind of clause that says you need to share their views to use their code? Is the product itself exclusionary in any way? Then no, ethics have nothing to do with it.
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  - orwin 6y ago
    > Asking people to not separate the product from the person Sorry, but why should i separate the product from the person? I'm not boycotting lactalys because their product are bad, they are quite good in fact, but he way the brand owner used to treat his employees, and the way they still treat milk producers irks me. I don't want to contribute to a person fortune if i don't like him or his way of treating people. Should i buy some Nestlé product for convenience when i know that people gaining the most of the deal are not even apologetic about the contaminated water scandals? When they knew about African water and still sold mothers powder milk? I quite like some of their other product, i just don't want to give them my money. It is the same for this soapbox product, no? I don't care if it is cancelled tbh, i just don't want the people behind the product to get my money, is this bad? Also there is room for dialog, i've talk quite extensively with a sodastream ambassador. Still won't ever buy their products, but we did talk.
    - rglullis 6y ago
      > It is the same for this soapbox product, no? Absolutely not the same. His work was not achieved due to exploitation of anyone. His personal views do not change the usage of the product and do not mandate any kind of compliance or agreement to any of his values. You want to put someone who simply expresses a contrarian view on the same stand as someone who actively exploits their employees? > I don't care if it is cancelled tbh, i just don't want the people behind the product to get my money, is this bad? First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist... Yes, pretty bad. This is the seed of totalitarianism that is planted in most progressives minds and speeches. You just don't think is bad because you are not in the out-group yet.
      - Miner49er 6y ago
        An open source project is different then like a chair or something. Part of the value of open source is the community around it. You can contribute to the code and ask around for support, but that requires associating or at least potentially associating with the creator. If that creator is someone you don't want to associate with then why not just find a different project to use?
- 488643689 6y ago
  How ironic, me stating some simple public facts got "cancelled" here. Guess, this whole free speech thing is not meant for everyone. Pretty sad, HN...

Vosporos 6y ago

Thanks for the fair warning

Hitton 6y ago

In the age of J.K. Rowling being called TERF could probably majority of population be called TERFs, I see such labels no longer useful. And unless you subscribe to notions such as guilt by association, ancestral sin and similar I don't know how is conduct of developer's spouse relevant.

Angostura 6y ago
Well, that's an easy way to render all labels unusable to you isn't. I saw a really odd object labelled as a table once. I now have literally no idea what a table is.
488643689 6y ago
As I mentioned we're talking about the the migration of reddit's GC, which is a community actively harassing and willfully hurting trans people. You know, some things are actually real.
- icy 6y ago
  I actually checked out r/GenderCritical just before it got banned -- and it's nothing like what you describe it as. I only found mature, good faith discussions regarding the trans issue.
  - 488643689 6y ago
    Yes, same as the /r/the_donald and the other freedom-loving, harmless, open debate subs banned. Guess, Reddit just hates women and white people.
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Spivak 6y ago
I feel like the case you're trying to make that JK is a "normal" person and therefore her views are common. This isn't an instance where someone who happens to hold an unorthodox opinion is caught by people trying to apply labels to her. She isn't getting caught up in the fight between feminists and the broader cultural push for trans acceptance. She's been on the front lines of this fight for years and years. It just happens that one, people are starting to actually care about trans people and two, JK decided to start venting more publicly on the largest outrage machine on the internet. Very few people are TERFs. It's a relatively uncommon set of beliefs which are separate from the kinds of views that might get you called transphobic.

67868018 6y ago

Every day you use inventions designed by abhorrent people. Get used to it.