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Can you be more specific?

by Romanulus 6y ago

zrail 6y ago
About which part?
- jsnk 6y ago
  Isn't it obvious? A claim like "US president who spreads more white supremacist propaganda" needs to be substantiated with specific evidences.
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    Such a claim may well be doubted, but why do you? Producing counterexamples is relatively easy, comparing to proving a negative, so why don't you provide the ones you have in mind? I think it's an interesting question to ask, if there are people who aren't the President, who are worse, and are not ostensibly as privileged, what's going on? As I understand it, the system is supposed to prevent those who aren't world leaders from behaving badly.
slouch 6y ago
He retweeted a video wherein a man yelled white power.
- prepend 6y ago
  I watched the video and it seemed pretty obvious that the old man responded mockingly to the other person accusing him of white power. I don’t think the driver was actually chanting white power as a claim that white power was his desire. Now, there’s certainly an argument for not making such a response and to channel anger better and not joke about such things. But I don’t think retweeting that video is a show of support for white power. Poor taste is much more likely.
  - root_axis 6y ago
    Perhaps the chanter was being ironically racist, but I think its pretty hard to see Trump's retweeting of it as ironic.
    - prepend 6y ago
      I don’t think he was being ironically racist. Here’s how I interpreted it... Someone says “I bet you beat your spouse and children? It’s such an insane statement I say “Oh yeah, I’m definite a spouse beater. Beating spouses is a great thing. We all should beat our spouses and children!” I don’t think that’s ironically condoning domestic violence. It’s an as absurdism response. If I was captured on video with such a response and you retweeted it, I don’t think it’s likely that the retweeter was condoning domestic violence. Thus saying “prepend condones domestic violence.”
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - dvtrn 6y ago
    Poor taste is much more likely. Was that not the very point of some people’s frustration? Why does the intentions of the person on the video need justification, rationalization or explanation?
    - prepend 6y ago
      I agree but brought it up as OP stated that POTUS endorses racism and white power through the tweet. I think I may be automatically biased against his tweets. But if a regular person posted that video I wouldn’t consider it endorsement of white power. Perhaps if there’s more context on the person in the video that would help. It seems like a frustrated response pointing out absurdity. But if the person flies a nazi flag then that would change my mind.
      - dvtrn 6y ago
        I don't care what the motivations of the person in the video are, they're irrelevant and I'm not interested in trying to unpack them; it was incredibly poor taste for POTUS to retweet it for any reason. That's the point.
- codeddesign 6y ago
  White Power! Oh...did that hurt someone’s feelings? Hmm.. All Power!! Crap...someone else has hurt feelings.. Just show respect to others, set an example, and turn the other cheek when needed. Hate generates hate which generates hate. When you begin bringing up Trump in a topic completely unrelated...I feel sorry for you. So many people have so much hate in their lives, it’s really sorrowful.
  - ogdusk 6y ago
    Your entire post history is just you repeating the same talking points from a clear side of the political spectrum. But it’s not “hate” when it aligns with your beliefs, I suppose?
    - codeddesign 6y ago
      Disagreement isn’t hate. Is good to disagree and share differing viewpoints. My above statement was that the guy brought up his disgust for Trump when the discussion was entirely unrelated.
      - ogdusk 6y ago
        If you don’t see that QAnon and Trump are symptoms of the same disease, then I have a bridge to sell you.
DonHopkins 6y ago
I think he's talking about Trump. Or do you suspect Obama is a White Supremacist, as well as not having been born in the United States?
- krapp 6y ago
  I mean, the Republicans did try to frame Obama as a radical black separatist and terrorist sympathiser with the whole Bill Ayers/Jeremiah Wright thing[0,1], but they realized calling him a crypto-Muslim (and terrorist sympathizer, and if you want to wonder if he's the Antichrist too we're not going to stop you) would be easier given his name[2]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_2008_presidential_election_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_2008_presidential_e... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_religion_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_religion_conspira...

Can you be more specific?

zrail 6y ago

About which part?

jsnk 6y ago
Isn't it obvious? A claim like "US president who spreads more white supremacist propaganda" needs to be substantiated with specific evidences.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  Such a claim may well be doubted, but why do you? Producing counterexamples is relatively easy, comparing to proving a negative, so why don't you provide the ones you have in mind? I think it's an interesting question to ask, if there are people who aren't the President, who are worse, and are not ostensibly as privileged, what's going on? As I understand it, the system is supposed to prevent those who aren't world leaders from behaving badly.

slouch 6y ago

He retweeted a video wherein a man yelled white power.

prepend 6y ago
I watched the video and it seemed pretty obvious that the old man responded mockingly to the other person accusing him of white power. I don’t think the driver was actually chanting white power as a claim that white power was his desire. Now, there’s certainly an argument for not making such a response and to channel anger better and not joke about such things. But I don’t think retweeting that video is a show of support for white power. Poor taste is much more likely.
- root_axis 6y ago
  Perhaps the chanter was being ironically racist, but I think its pretty hard to see Trump's retweeting of it as ironic.
  - prepend 6y ago
    I don’t think he was being ironically racist. Here’s how I interpreted it... Someone says “I bet you beat your spouse and children? It’s such an insane statement I say “Oh yeah, I’m definite a spouse beater. Beating spouses is a great thing. We all should beat our spouses and children!” I don’t think that’s ironically condoning domestic violence. It’s an as absurdism response. If I was captured on video with such a response and you retweeted it, I don’t think it’s likely that the retweeter was condoning domestic violence. Thus saying “prepend condones domestic violence.”
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- dvtrn 6y ago
  Poor taste is much more likely. Was that not the very point of some people’s frustration? Why does the intentions of the person on the video need justification, rationalization or explanation?
  - prepend 6y ago
    I agree but brought it up as OP stated that POTUS endorses racism and white power through the tweet. I think I may be automatically biased against his tweets. But if a regular person posted that video I wouldn’t consider it endorsement of white power. Perhaps if there’s more context on the person in the video that would help. It seems like a frustrated response pointing out absurdity. But if the person flies a nazi flag then that would change my mind.
    - dvtrn 6y ago
      I don't care what the motivations of the person in the video are, they're irrelevant and I'm not interested in trying to unpack them; it was incredibly poor taste for POTUS to retweet it for any reason. That's the point.
codeddesign 6y ago
White Power! Oh...did that hurt someone’s feelings? Hmm.. All Power!! Crap...someone else has hurt feelings.. Just show respect to others, set an example, and turn the other cheek when needed. Hate generates hate which generates hate. When you begin bringing up Trump in a topic completely unrelated...I feel sorry for you. So many people have so much hate in their lives, it’s really sorrowful.
- ogdusk 6y ago
  Your entire post history is just you repeating the same talking points from a clear side of the political spectrum. But it’s not “hate” when it aligns with your beliefs, I suppose?
  - codeddesign 6y ago
    Disagreement isn’t hate. Is good to disagree and share differing viewpoints. My above statement was that the guy brought up his disgust for Trump when the discussion was entirely unrelated.
    - ogdusk 6y ago
      If you don’t see that QAnon and Trump are symptoms of the same disease, then I have a bridge to sell you.

DonHopkins 6y ago

I think he's talking about Trump. Or do you suspect Obama is a White Supremacist, as well as not having been born in the United States?

krapp 6y ago
I mean, the Republicans did try to frame Obama as a radical black separatist and terrorist sympathiser with the whole Bill Ayers/Jeremiah Wright thing[0,1], but they realized calling him a crypto-Muslim (and terrorist sympathizer, and if you want to wonder if he's the Antichrist too we're not going to stop you) would be easier given his name[2]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_2008_presidential_election_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_2008_presidential_e... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_religion_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_religion_conspira...