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At some point people become enough of a liability that we collectively as a society have authorized the restriction of their rights. This is a literally subver

At some point people become enough of a liability that we collectively as a society have authorized the restriction of their rights. This is a literally subversive movement. I'm not exaggerating or choosing a side. Watch the livestreams yourself - these people explicitly seek to subvert, dismantle, and replace modern "power structures" (intentionally left vague). Whether you agree with what these people think they're fighting for, the system has safeguards against such insurrection.

xxpor 6y ago
Give me a break. These aren't the Bolsheviks fighting the white army. The dude in the video was never told where he was or why he was arrested. He didn't know he was in the federal courthouse until after he was released. These guys don't even have badges ffs. If someone shot these guys, I don't see how that wouldn't be considered self-defense. Let's see what DHS is complaining about: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co... A lot of broken windows, graffiti and fireworks. Real insurrection. Raise the army. Prepare the nukes.
- blisseyGo 6y ago
  > A lot of broken windows, graffiti and fireworks. Those are federal property and feds have full rights to do this. Also a lot of people who are being arrested are from another state. That's been the case for at least 45 days now. There's a point where the feds have to step in since the local people in that area are being terrorized. I have friends in that area and they are all planing to move out of the city because the Mayor, DA and Governor have been useless for a long time.
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    I have friends in that area who feel perfectly safe and think the mayor, DA, and governor are doing fine. Other fiends of mine are moving there.
TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
We have safeguards in place already that don’t require law enforcement kidnapping people.
gruez 6y ago
>At some point people become enough of a liability that we collectively as a society have authorized the restriction of their rights. So tyranny of the majority is fine? I'm sure you can apply the same justification to what's happening in Xinjiang. Also, where's this "authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction?
- mtgp1000 6y ago
  >So tyranny of the majority is fine Perhaps it is preferable to tyranny by the minority. >authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction? Did you authorize the taxes you pay, or where they go? Isn't this the so called social contract? And please, my family fled true tyranny, I assure you nothing the US is doing is quite comperable to the CCP. Westerners don't know tyranny. They've grown so comfortable that they can take to the streets for weeks and complain about the very government that supports them. Try doing that in the USSR or any Chines state outside of Hong Kong or Taiwan.
  - fzeroracer 6y ago
    It's interesting given your posting history that you seem to be more concerned about cancel culture than you are the feds quite literally whisking someone away and violating their rights. I think you're a liar. You're not here to post in good faith. You're just another alt-right troll stirring up shit.
    - mtgp1000 6y ago
      >I think you're a liar. You're not here to post in good faith. You're just another alt-right troll stirring up shit. Totally uncalled for. Some people have different points of view. Cancel culture is intimately linked with socialism/communism, though I only recently came to understand this. That social shaming and unpersoning lead to a system where parents could not trust their children, because the government effectively incentivized them to "snitch". The scars of communism in my family are clearly multigenerational, the cultural imprint, of intrinsic distrust for your countryman, is unmistakable. These literal marxists want to bring the same evil here. I cannot stand for that. >whisking someone away and violating their rights I don't think violent sedition is a right in this country. They're not arresting peaceful protestors, they're arresting (allegedly) instigators, the kind who helped cause $500MM in damage in Minneapolis alone. Also I don't think being arrested by unmarked federal agents for federal crimes violates rights. Edit: also it's ironic that you bring up my interest in cancel culture while attacking me personally and accusing me of bad faith argument for disagreeing with you. Perhaps it is appropriate for me to be wary of cancel culture after all?

xxpor 6y ago

Give me a break. These aren't the Bolsheviks fighting the white army. The dude in the video was never told where he was or why he was arrested. He didn't know he was in the federal courthouse until after he was released. These guys don't even have badges ffs. If someone shot these guys, I don't see how that wouldn't be considered self-defense. Let's see what DHS is complaining about: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-co... A lot of broken windows, graffiti and fireworks. Real insurrection. Raise the army. Prepare the nukes.

blisseyGo 6y ago
> A lot of broken windows, graffiti and fireworks. Those are federal property and feds have full rights to do this. Also a lot of people who are being arrested are from another state. That's been the case for at least 45 days now. There's a point where the feds have to step in since the local people in that area are being terrorized. I have friends in that area and they are all planing to move out of the city because the Mayor, DA and Governor have been useless for a long time.
- WalterGR 6y ago
  I have friends in that area who feel perfectly safe and think the mayor, DA, and governor are doing fine. Other fiends of mine are moving there.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

We have safeguards in place already that don’t require law enforcement kidnapping people.

gruez 6y ago

>At some point people become enough of a liability that we collectively as a society have authorized the restriction of their rights. So tyranny of the majority is fine? I'm sure you can apply the same justification to what's happening in Xinjiang. Also, where's this "authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction?

mtgp1000 6y ago
>So tyranny of the majority is fine Perhaps it is preferable to tyranny by the minority. >authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction? Did you authorize the taxes you pay, or where they go? Isn't this the so called social contract? And please, my family fled true tyranny, I assure you nothing the US is doing is quite comperable to the CCP. Westerners don't know tyranny. They've grown so comfortable that they can take to the streets for weeks and complain about the very government that supports them. Try doing that in the USSR or any Chines state outside of Hong Kong or Taiwan.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  It's interesting given your posting history that you seem to be more concerned about cancel culture than you are the feds quite literally whisking someone away and violating their rights. I think you're a liar. You're not here to post in good faith. You're just another alt-right troll stirring up shit.
  - mtgp1000 6y ago
    >I think you're a liar. You're not here to post in good faith. You're just another alt-right troll stirring up shit. Totally uncalled for. Some people have different points of view. Cancel culture is intimately linked with socialism/communism, though I only recently came to understand this. That social shaming and unpersoning lead to a system where parents could not trust their children, because the government effectively incentivized them to "snitch". The scars of communism in my family are clearly multigenerational, the cultural imprint, of intrinsic distrust for your countryman, is unmistakable. These literal marxists want to bring the same evil here. I cannot stand for that. >whisking someone away and violating their rights I don't think violent sedition is a right in this country. They're not arresting peaceful protestors, they're arresting (allegedly) instigators, the kind who helped cause $500MM in damage in Minneapolis alone. Also I don't think being arrested by unmarked federal agents for federal crimes violates rights. Edit: also it's ironic that you bring up my interest in cancel culture while attacking me personally and accusing me of bad faith argument for disagreeing with you. Perhaps it is appropriate for me to be wary of cancel culture after all?