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What was the article? Now I'm curious

lefstathiou 6y ago
Google around and you will find it. To me it makes no difference whether it was or wasn’t, what was eye opening was the speed of it hitting and being removed. It’s the unwillingness to even allow the topic on HN which intrigued me. Believing what I believe (ie my bias) I was surprised it got as far as it did - because I know that’s not the HN community party line - and then noticed it disappeared within seconds of me seeing it on home page. I was the first to comment on it so it couldn’t have been because the threads descended into a flame war and I was unaware of which other guidelines it could have broken given it was a legit site referencing a legit paper in a legit journal (but taking a perspective the broader Hn community won’t tolerate).
- IAmEveryone 6y ago
  > it was a legit site referencing a legit paper in a legit journal It wasn't. the article explained how they couldn't find a publisher for it. That's why I flagged it, because that's a red flag. It was also based on the statistical fallacy that Feynman once summed up with "There is a car with license plate GH02B [a sequence with no meaning] outside. What are the odds?!"
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    Feynman didn't have google to confirm all his statistical fallacies! https://www.airbnb.nl/rooms/38836139?source_impression_id=p3_1594557444_LCcAEG9b4Rci90c4&guests=1&adults=1 https://www.airbnb.nl/rooms/38836139?source_impression_id=p3... https://www.vieffetrade.eu/sale/bathroom-accessories/ibb/acrylic-cup-holder/gh02b/90987 https://www.vieffetrade.eu/sale/bathroom-accessories/ibb/acr... https://isos.co.uk/product/gh02d-gh02h-gh02b/ https://isos.co.uk/product/gh02d-gh02h-gh02b/ https://www.check-mot-history.co.uk/reg/gh02b https://www.check-mot-history.co.uk/reg/gh02b
gus_massa 6y ago
Probably "The most logical explanation is that Covid-19 comes from a laboratory" https://www.minervanett.no/corona/the-most-logical-explanation-is-that-it-comes-from-a-laboratory/361860 https://www.minervanett.no/corona/the-most-logical-explanati... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23725966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23725966 (flagged, 18 points, 8 days ago, 4 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23727763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23727763 (10 points, 8 days ago, 3 comments) [Personal opinion: The evidence is not enough to prove that is was created/improved/selected in a lab. It has a few "lucky" features, but normal coronavirus don't cause pandemics, so we already know it is a "lucky" case.] 18 points by haltingproblem 8 days ago | flag | hide | past | favorite | 4 comments "
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > The evidence is not enough to prove that is was created/improved/selected in a lab. All of the current evidence points at the Wuhan labs. And there's tons of it. All pundits say so in current interviews.
- mirimir 6y ago
  I've seen an article claiming that it spread from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But not in the sense that they created, improved or selected it. I gather that they were simply isolating and studying viruses from bats that had been collected in southern China. And they were doing that based on concerns about new pandemics, given experience with SARS and MERS, and the expectation that there would be more zoonotic jumps from bat populations.
- rurban 6y ago
  I would not dismiss his arguments at first sight. but they are presented as anecdotes, not as convincing proof. his gut instinct might be right, because he is experienced, but there should be a proof. And genomics proofs are actually easy nowadays. everybody is familiar with neural networks and how long it needs to come up with optimized mutations. I just miss the mathematical proof of the low likelihood of natural mutations in x generations to come up with that special spike. Note that the period of 10-14 days per generation is extremely fast. Like with the drosphila. extraordinary claims need better proofs.

Google around and you will find it. To me it makes no difference whether it was or wasn’t, what was eye opening was the speed of it hitting and being removed. It’s the unwillingness to even allow the topic on HN which intrigued me. Believing what I believe (ie my bias) I was surprised it got as far as it did - because I know that’s not the HN community party line - and then noticed it disappeared within seconds of me seeing it on home page. I was the first to comment on it so it couldn’t have been because the threads descended into a flame war and I was unaware of which other guidelines it could have broken given it was a legit site referencing a legit paper in a legit journal (but taking a perspective the broader Hn community won’t tolerate).

IAmEveryone 6y ago
> it was a legit site referencing a legit paper in a legit journal It wasn't. the article explained how they couldn't find a publisher for it. That's why I flagged it, because that's a red flag. It was also based on the statistical fallacy that Feynman once summed up with "There is a car with license plate GH02B [a sequence with no meaning] outside. What are the odds?!"
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  Feynman didn't have google to confirm all his statistical fallacies! https://www.airbnb.nl/rooms/38836139?source_impression_id=p3_1594557444_LCcAEG9b4Rci90c4&guests=1&adults=1 https://www.airbnb.nl/rooms/38836139?source_impression_id=p3... https://www.vieffetrade.eu/sale/bathroom-accessories/ibb/acrylic-cup-holder/gh02b/90987 https://www.vieffetrade.eu/sale/bathroom-accessories/ibb/acr... https://isos.co.uk/product/gh02d-gh02h-gh02b/ https://isos.co.uk/product/gh02d-gh02h-gh02b/ https://www.check-mot-history.co.uk/reg/gh02b https://www.check-mot-history.co.uk/reg/gh02b

gus_massa 6y ago

Probably "The most logical explanation is that Covid-19 comes from a laboratory" https://www.minervanett.no/corona/the-most-logical-explanation-is-that-it-comes-from-a-laboratory/361860 https://www.minervanett.no/corona/the-most-logical-explanati... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23725966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23725966 (flagged, 18 points, 8 days ago, 4 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23727763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23727763 (10 points, 8 days ago, 3 comments) [Personal opinion: The evidence is not enough to prove that is was created/improved/selected in a lab. It has a few "lucky" features, but normal coronavirus don't cause pandemics, so we already know it is a "lucky" case.] 18 points by haltingproblem 8 days ago | flag | hide | past | favorite | 4 comments "

redis_mlc 6y ago
> The evidence is not enough to prove that is was created/improved/selected in a lab. All of the current evidence points at the Wuhan labs. And there's tons of it. All pundits say so in current interviews.
mirimir 6y ago
I've seen an article claiming that it spread from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But not in the sense that they created, improved or selected it. I gather that they were simply isolating and studying viruses from bats that had been collected in southern China. And they were doing that based on concerns about new pandemics, given experience with SARS and MERS, and the expectation that there would be more zoonotic jumps from bat populations.
rurban 6y ago
I would not dismiss his arguments at first sight. but they are presented as anecdotes, not as convincing proof. his gut instinct might be right, because he is experienced, but there should be a proof. And genomics proofs are actually easy nowadays. everybody is familiar with neural networks and how long it needs to come up with optimized mutations. I just miss the mathematical proof of the low likelihood of natural mutations in x generations to come up with that special spike. Note that the period of 10-14 days per generation is extremely fast. Like with the drosphila. extraordinary claims need better proofs.