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Yes and reasonable people understand this and don't need censorship. Who would hate a platform for not removing people for just honestly disagreeing and talking

Yes and reasonable people understand this and don't need censorship. Who would hate a platform for not removing people for just honestly disagreeing and talking? Inciting violence and cheating the system is a different story and the obvious edge of free speech

luckylion 6y ago
> Who would hate a platform for not removing people for just honestly disagreeing and talking? A lot of people. And if your goal is quantity, not quality, those people are important, because they are who the investors give you money to build a site for.
- reroute1 6y ago
  Exactly I'm just saying they are not reasonable people, so who cares?
fragmede 6y ago
The problem is "honest disagreement and talking" isn't. One person's honest disagreement is inciting violence, and with coded signals and dogwhistles, it's not a subject that everyone will agree on. Things that are clearly on one side or there other of the line aren't in question. It's more subtle stuff that can be argued either way, eg "When the looting starts, the shooting starts", where it gets more contentious. Pretending it's all just honest disagreement is being naive.
- reroute1 6y ago
  That is your conclusion for a specific case, calm down bro I didn't say this subreddit was a benevolent group lol, no shit it's complicated and subjective. That doesn't mean I support censorship in these cases though of which there are many, because that is what's happening and often it's just the whim and political leaning of the platform. Beyond that who do you think these people are inciting? Like would any reasonable person read this subreddit and start commiting violent acts? That sounds like the scum of the earth anyway that don't need reddit to be incited or for any violence to happen, but stifling free speech is not worth it most of the time and you aren't really helping anything anyway. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a clear threat. People shitposting online isn't. If there's a clear violation of rules then fine, but saying that entire groups should be shut down without evidence is a fuckin slippery slope and if you use your brain you don't really need to worry about some dumbass subreddit.

luckylion 6y ago

> Who would hate a platform for not removing people for just honestly disagreeing and talking? A lot of people. And if your goal is quantity, not quality, those people are important, because they are who the investors give you money to build a site for.

reroute1 6y ago
Exactly I'm just saying they are not reasonable people, so who cares?

fragmede 6y ago

The problem is "honest disagreement and talking" isn't. One person's honest disagreement is inciting violence, and with coded signals and dogwhistles, it's not a subject that everyone will agree on. Things that are clearly on one side or there other of the line aren't in question. It's more subtle stuff that can be argued either way, eg "When the looting starts, the shooting starts", where it gets more contentious. Pretending it's all just honest disagreement is being naive.

reroute1 6y ago
That is your conclusion for a specific case, calm down bro I didn't say this subreddit was a benevolent group lol, no shit it's complicated and subjective. That doesn't mean I support censorship in these cases though of which there are many, because that is what's happening and often it's just the whim and political leaning of the platform. Beyond that who do you think these people are inciting? Like would any reasonable person read this subreddit and start commiting violent acts? That sounds like the scum of the earth anyway that don't need reddit to be incited or for any violence to happen, but stifling free speech is not worth it most of the time and you aren't really helping anything anyway. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a clear threat. People shitposting online isn't. If there's a clear violation of rules then fine, but saying that entire groups should be shut down without evidence is a fuckin slippery slope and if you use your brain you don't really need to worry about some dumbass subreddit.