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Would it also be okay to suggest Asians are over-represented because of unearned Asian privilege? What about suggesting whites are (hypothetically) over-repres

by deogeo 6y ago

Would it also be okay to suggest Asians are over-represented because of unearned Asian privilege? What about suggesting whites are (hypothetically) over-represented because they've made attaining education a priority? Forgive me for noticing, but "one-sided" doesn't even begin to describe this debate.

rootusrootus 6y ago
> Would it also be okay to suggest Asians are over-represented because of unearned Asian privilege? Reverse racism, as it were? > What about suggesting whites are (hypothetically) over-represented because they've made attaining education a priority? Well, first they'd need to be over-represented ;). > Forgive me for noticing, but "one-sided" doesn't even begin to describe this debate. On the contrary, there seems to be a bazillion sides to this whole discussion.
- deogeo 6y ago
  > Well, first they'd need to be over-represented ;) Not at all - behold, an entire article complaining about too many whites on Harvard [1], despite being the most under-represented group [2]. [1] https://slate.com/business/2019/09/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action-white-students-legacy-athletes-donors.html https://slate.com/business/2019/09/harvard-admissions-affirm... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21130080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21130080
Ghjklov 6y ago
>Would it also be okay to suggest Asians are over-represented because of unearned Asian privilege? That would be an incredibly stupid and unequivocally false thing to suggest because the odds are actually stacked against Asians, and they must work harder than most other people to achieve the same thing. Asians have earned everything they've attained in this country. They deserve whatever success they've gotten, and for that, they receive undeserved discrimination and disrespect.
- deogeo 6y ago
  Really? But according to mappingpoliceviolence.org, unarmed white people are killed by police at twice the rate of unarmed Asians, relative to their share of the population. Japan [1] and China [2,3] are openly ethno-nationalist, and India is even attempting to conduct demographic displacement in Kashmir [4]. Clearly Asians are just as capable of racism. Do you believe immigration into the US turns them all into die-hard egalitarians? Or would they continue treating their co-ethnics preferentially, as well as benefitting from their heritage and background, such as strong family ties, emphasis on education, etc. (the definition of privilege when applied to whites)? [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/10/18/national/aso-says-japan-is-nation-of-one-race/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/10/18/national/aso-sa... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/world/asia/china-green-card-stephon-marbury.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/world/asia/china-green-ca... [3] https://www.quora.com/How-hard-is-it-to-immigrate-to-China https://www.quora.com/How-hard-is-it-to-immigrate-to-China [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/08/08/kashmirs-new-status-could-bring-demographic-change-drawing-comparisons-west-bank/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/08/08/kashmirs-new...
  - Ghjklov 6y ago
    I don't understand why you are arguing these points at me. I didn't say anything about whites. Unarmed Asians being killed less by police and Asians being capable of racism doesn't mean Asian Americans are privileged lol. What are you trying to say bro? Just come out and say it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action Anyway, Asians did not succeed from a position of privilege. They succeeded in spite of everything the American voter (largely white) voted for to keep them down.
    - deogeo 6y ago
      > I didn't say anything about whites. When you say "odds are stacked against" someone, you have to compare to some other group to see what the "default" odds are. And privilege is not limited to the law. If a white person preferentially hires or promotes other whites, you'd claim those whites benefited from privilege. But you won't say the same for Asians, because of the Chinese Exclusion Act? Or because you just don't believe such a thing happens, despite evidence to the contrary [1,2]? [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW14470321.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW... [2] https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouraging-indians-to-hire-others-indians-and-its-killing-diversity/ https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouragin...

by deogeo 6y ago

rootusrootus 6y ago

> Would it also be okay to suggest Asians are over-represented because of unearned Asian privilege? Reverse racism, as it were? > What about suggesting whites are (hypothetically) over-represented because they've made attaining education a priority? Well, first they'd need to be over-represented ;). > Forgive me for noticing, but "one-sided" doesn't even begin to describe this debate. On the contrary, there seems to be a bazillion sides to this whole discussion.

deogeo 6y ago
> Well, first they'd need to be over-represented ;) Not at all - behold, an entire article complaining about too many whites on Harvard [1], despite being the most under-represented group [2]. [1] https://slate.com/business/2019/09/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action-white-students-legacy-athletes-donors.html https://slate.com/business/2019/09/harvard-admissions-affirm... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21130080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21130080

Ghjklov 6y ago

>Would it also be okay to suggest Asians are over-represented because of unearned Asian privilege? That would be an incredibly stupid and unequivocally false thing to suggest because the odds are actually stacked against Asians, and they must work harder than most other people to achieve the same thing. Asians have earned everything they've attained in this country. They deserve whatever success they've gotten, and for that, they receive undeserved discrimination and disrespect.

deogeo 6y ago
Really? But according to mappingpoliceviolence.org, unarmed white people are killed by police at twice the rate of unarmed Asians, relative to their share of the population. Japan [1] and China [2,3] are openly ethno-nationalist, and India is even attempting to conduct demographic displacement in Kashmir [4]. Clearly Asians are just as capable of racism. Do you believe immigration into the US turns them all into die-hard egalitarians? Or would they continue treating their co-ethnics preferentially, as well as benefitting from their heritage and background, such as strong family ties, emphasis on education, etc. (the definition of privilege when applied to whites)? [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/10/18/national/aso-says-japan-is-nation-of-one-race/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2005/10/18/national/aso-sa... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/world/asia/china-green-card-stephon-marbury.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/world/asia/china-green-ca... [3] https://www.quora.com/How-hard-is-it-to-immigrate-to-China https://www.quora.com/How-hard-is-it-to-immigrate-to-China [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/08/08/kashmirs-new-status-could-bring-demographic-change-drawing-comparisons-west-bank/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/08/08/kashmirs-new...
- Ghjklov 6y ago
  I don't understand why you are arguing these points at me. I didn't say anything about whites. Unarmed Asians being killed less by police and Asians being capable of racism doesn't mean Asian Americans are privileged lol. What are you trying to say bro? Just come out and say it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action Anyway, Asians did not succeed from a position of privilege. They succeeded in spite of everything the American voter (largely white) voted for to keep them down.
  - deogeo 6y ago
    > I didn't say anything about whites. When you say "odds are stacked against" someone, you have to compare to some other group to see what the "default" odds are. And privilege is not limited to the law. If a white person preferentially hires or promotes other whites, you'd claim those whites benefited from privilege. But you won't say the same for Asians, because of the Chinese Exclusion Act? Or because you just don't believe such a thing happens, despite evidence to the contrary [1,2]? [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW14470321.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Elekta-RVW... [2] https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouraging-indians-to-hire-others-indians-and-its-killing-diversity/ https://qz.com/india/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouragin...