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More mental gymnastics and gyrations to justify muzzling the opposing narrative.
by 50ckpuppet 6y ago
More mental gymnastics and gyrations to justify muzzling the opposing narrative.
- logicslave 6y agoPeople are clamoring for facebook to censor, mostly because they think that facebook will censor in their political favor
- javagram 6y agoThe real problem is that ~40% of America supports/votes for the POTUS, following him on social media, re-shares his memes, etc. People are looking to generally open communications platforms like Facebook and asking them to censor, but if they carried their logic to its conclusion, the President’s emails, texts, mobile Apps, and press releases should all be censored or blacklisted by communications providers. If the president sent out content similar to his tweets through a Trump 2020 campaign app on the apple store and android store, should Apple / google remove the app from the store? Should they build in a filter in chrome and Safari to block access to the trump 2020 campaign website? Where does this logically end?
- lol139189 6y agoThe real problem is that you refuse to take people you disagree with seriously. You keep fucking lying about them, you keep pushing people towards their side by being an absolute fucking cunt. Just stop. It's not helping.
- javagram 6y agoI am taking it seriously. The logic that demands Facebook censor trump from their open platform doesn’t have any clear limiting factor that means that Trump shouldn’t be censored off other communications service providers. Not a MAGA type by the way. I’ve voted against trump in 3 elections already and will be voting against him again in the fall.
- dang 6y agoCould you please stop creating accounts to do flamewar here? It's not in your interest to do that, first because you're contributing to destroying the community that you're participating in, and second because these sorts of attacks just reinforce the people you disagree with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- logicslave 6y agoYou want to censor 40% of the country? How can that be logical
- unishark 6y agoI don't think the above poster is claiming it is logical, but the opposite.
- javagram 6y agoMy point is that the people asking Zuck to censor are asking to censor 40% of the country. Personally since I disagree with the 40% I do see it as the “real problem” but I don’t think facebook censoring them is the solution. It might be possible to censor away InfoWars or whatever but I don’t think you can censor away the POTUS and 40% of the country...
- bastardoperator 6y agoIf the opposing narritive is propaganda or hatred, who’s doing the mental gymnastics here?
- remarkEon 6y agoThe one who views the opposing narrative as only propaganda or hatred, and nothing else.
- TravHatesMe 6y agoWhat is considered propaganda or hatred has become increasingly subjective
- josefresco 6y agoNo it hasn't. Propaganda and hatred has just become more sophisticated and super-charged by new tools (social media, Internet etc.) in order to maximize it's spread among the community. These new tools also allow bigots to self-organize, privately in ways never before possible.
- light_cone 6y agoAnd what does sophistication of means has to do with the subjectivity mentioned?
- josefresco 6y agoBigotry and it's resulting political/social forms have and will evolve, constantly adapting to retain and grow. Hatred is not "increasingly subjective", hatred has become more sophisticated making it harder to detect.
- Avicebron 6y agoNot sure how you are coming to this conclusion, yes it can become more sophisticated while also be on a sliding scale of what people consider "hatred" from one year to the next. I'm not sure what is not to grok about this conclusion.
- _u1dn 6y agoGo to reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook to see how much fake stuff is being spread
- cameronbrown 6y agoThis viewpoint is well represented on HN as well, worryingly.
- dang 6y agoIt may be worrying but it's not surprising. Every common-enough point of view will be well represented in any large-enough population sample, assuming the sample wasn't specifically selected to exclude it.
- cameronbrown 6y agoThat's very true, and a point I've made in the past about other opinions (namely, internet trolls). My assumption though, was that HN had a very well educated population, who know the dangers of censorship.
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- mc32 6y agoPeople fail to understand that nothing is static. One minute you’re in, the other minute you’re out. What was PC today may not be PC tomorrow depending on dynamics. They don’t understand the same forces they want to use to muzzle someone today can become the force that muzzles them tomorrow. They like Jack censoring twitter only because he aligns with them. They don’t like Mark right now because he doesn’t 100% align with them. They don’t care one whit about data retention and third party selling, etc. all they care about is “are you aligned with my narrative today?”
- TravHatesMe 6y ago> People fail to understand that nothing is static. One minute you’re in, the other minute you’re out. This is why Free Speech is so important. Regardless of how inappropriate someone's speech is, or may seem in the present context, they should be allowed to express it as long as they are not directly inciting violence/hate. Not all countries have this Right so let's take a second to appreciate that.
- ecf 6y agoMore mental gymnastics trying to believe whatever Trump has up next on his plate to rant about isn’t propaganda aimed at inciting violence.