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Why doesnt china have the freedom to choose what commerce they want to engage in? If the US didnt want the chinese selling HP servers to Iran, they should not h

Why doesnt china have the freedom to choose what commerce they want to engage in? If the US didnt want the chinese selling HP servers to Iran, they should not have sold them to China. If China jailed Tim Cook for selling iPhones to Taiwan that were intended for export to Europe, the US would rightly flip out.

adventured 6y ago
> Why doesnt china have the freedom to choose what commerce they want to engage in? They do. Your setup is a false premise. China can flout any sanctions the US levies against other nations anytime they see fit. They also have to accept there may be consequences based on the US influence around the world. If you do commerce with China, you have to accept there may be consequences if you upset them, also. > If China jailed Tim Cook for selling iPhones to Taiwan that were intended for export to Europe, the US would rightly flip out. Taiwan is a liberal, democratic, human rights protecting nation, which is not pursuing nuclear weapons, is not threatening to commit genocide against one of its neighbors, and is not aggressively sponsoring terrorism and militias all across Asia. The Taiwan situation has nothing in common with the Iran situation. They're polar opposites, morally, culturally, politically. China may see the situation with Taiwan as comparable to how the US sees Iran, however the rest of the world does not. Nobody else actually regards Taiwan as anything other than a democratic, peaceful nation.
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ganoushoreilly 6y ago
China does have that freedom. The difference is, Tim Cook didn't sign any export control documents, and as of current, they don't exist. In the US the export control documents do exist, Huawei was a signatory as part of parting in the American Economy & Commercial sector. So this analogy doesn't make sense. Just as China doesn't allow Western products in their markets without a substantial consideration to China, usually in the form of joint partnerships with domestic companies vs direct sales. That's their right, the western companies wishing to engage in the market often times will find out their cost / benefit and act accordingly. All of the companies are held and managed under Chinese law and as such many have had things stripped from them.

adventured 6y ago

> Why doesnt china have the freedom to choose what commerce they want to engage in? They do. Your setup is a false premise. China can flout any sanctions the US levies against other nations anytime they see fit. They also have to accept there may be consequences based on the US influence around the world. If you do commerce with China, you have to accept there may be consequences if you upset them, also. > If China jailed Tim Cook for selling iPhones to Taiwan that were intended for export to Europe, the US would rightly flip out. Taiwan is a liberal, democratic, human rights protecting nation, which is not pursuing nuclear weapons, is not threatening to commit genocide against one of its neighbors, and is not aggressively sponsoring terrorism and militias all across Asia. The Taiwan situation has nothing in common with the Iran situation. They're polar opposites, morally, culturally, politically. China may see the situation with Taiwan as comparable to how the US sees Iran, however the rest of the world does not. Nobody else actually regards Taiwan as anything other than a democratic, peaceful nation.

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ganoushoreilly 6y ago

China does have that freedom. The difference is, Tim Cook didn't sign any export control documents, and as of current, they don't exist. In the US the export control documents do exist, Huawei was a signatory as part of parting in the American Economy & Commercial sector. So this analogy doesn't make sense. Just as China doesn't allow Western products in their markets without a substantial consideration to China, usually in the form of joint partnerships with domestic companies vs direct sales. That's their right, the western companies wishing to engage in the market often times will find out their cost / benefit and act accordingly. All of the companies are held and managed under Chinese law and as such many have had things stripped from them.