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Tesla has said that employees that feel uncomfortable can stay at home, but that will be unpaid.

by foob4r 6y ago

monadic2 6y ago
That doesn’t sound like it would allow the employee to even apply for unemployment.... dirty.
- DenisM 6y ago
  Is it not exactly the same whether the factory is closed or not? If you are listed as an employee you're not getting the unemployment.
  - kenhwang 6y ago
    Voluntary vs involuntary. You get unemployment if you're involuntarily out of work (laid off/furloughed/reduced hours). If you voluntarily chose not to work when offered, or at fault for termination, you're typically disqualified from unemployment.
    - johnnyo 6y ago
      Is it really voluntary choosing not to work when the state is telling you to stay home and you comply? Again, it’s a really terrible way to treat your employees.
    - procombo 6y ago
      "Typically" might be correct. Our nation's Covid-19 unemployment response is not typical. All of my employees have been given the option to work, or be furloughed. Their decision. Two have chosen to stay home for their own personal reasons. They are on state unemployement and also collecting that weekly check from the fed. It's up to the fed when they stop doing that, but these people know we will work with them if/when that goes away. Don't give Elon the benefit of the doubt for most things, but I think he's right on.
  - monadic2 6y ago
    If a factory closes down, the following layoffs allow the person to get back on their feet without the help of their employer. Removing this option leaves the employer with 100% of the leverage (without a union, anyway).
  - astronautjones 6y ago
    no, that's what all of this is about. conservatives don't like in principle that people are receiving unemployment for their pandemic-induced lost hours (employers - and in some states workers too - pay an unemployment tax on payroll to fund rainy days like these. that unemployment tax is largely subsidized by the federal government, as well) ETA: the conservatives are absolutely wrong, and the only way out of this is more help for those affected.
- paxys 6y ago
  It doesn't matter if you're still employed on paper. If you aren't getting paid (or even if you get a substantial paycut) you qualify for unemployment benefits. The tricky part is if you're willingly not working. "Staying at home because of COVID" is a valid reason that some state governments are accepting.
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    No gov't in the country would question those unemployment benefits though, these days. So it's safe for them to file and collect.
    - ncallaway 6y ago
      That's not exactly true. Some states reopening (like GA) no longer consider a covid absence to still be eligible to receive benefits. I think those still have exceptions for high risk individuals.
    - cbanek 6y ago
      That doesn't seem true: https://labor.vermont.gov/unemployment-insurance/refusal-return-work-covid-19 https://labor.vermont.gov/unemployment-insurance/refusal-ret... I believe there was also an HN submission about a group of states doing these types of things to force people back to work even if they feel scared of catching the virus, or giving up their unemployment benefits, though I can't find it now, so Vermont isn't the only state doing this.
      - koheripbal 6y ago
        That _obviously_ does not include going back to work in violation of a public health order.
  - teruakohatu 6y ago
    In this case, the country is preventing them from working under I presume the threat of arrest and/or fines. Surely is a good enough reason.
Traster 6y ago
They have a word for that: unemployment.
luckydata 6y ago
lol. my wife works there, that's not how Tesla works. 100% everyone that refuses to go to work now will get fired, they'll just make a list and do it later for optics. Tesla (Elon) emphatically doesn't give a shit about their employees.
- jjcon 6y ago
  My uncle works there and he would disagree with your characterization
  - luckydata 6y ago
    Then he must be a weirdo because I never met a Tesla employee that believes the company cares about them. They all tend to believe Tesla is doing important work and are bought in the mission, but nobody has any illusions about how much the company loves them back. Humans are disposable there.
    - jjcon 6y ago
      Is your wife a janitor or something?
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Tesla has said that employees that feel uncomfortable can stay at home, but that will be unpaid.

by foob4r 6y ago

Tesla has said that employees that feel uncomfortable can stay at home, but that will be unpaid.

monadic2 6y ago

That doesn’t sound like it would allow the employee to even apply for unemployment.... dirty.

DenisM 6y ago
Is it not exactly the same whether the factory is closed or not? If you are listed as an employee you're not getting the unemployment.
- kenhwang 6y ago
  Voluntary vs involuntary. You get unemployment if you're involuntarily out of work (laid off/furloughed/reduced hours). If you voluntarily chose not to work when offered, or at fault for termination, you're typically disqualified from unemployment.
  - johnnyo 6y ago
    Is it really voluntary choosing not to work when the state is telling you to stay home and you comply? Again, it’s a really terrible way to treat your employees.
  - procombo 6y ago
    "Typically" might be correct. Our nation's Covid-19 unemployment response is not typical. All of my employees have been given the option to work, or be furloughed. Their decision. Two have chosen to stay home for their own personal reasons. They are on state unemployement and also collecting that weekly check from the fed. It's up to the fed when they stop doing that, but these people know we will work with them if/when that goes away. Don't give Elon the benefit of the doubt for most things, but I think he's right on.
- monadic2 6y ago
  If a factory closes down, the following layoffs allow the person to get back on their feet without the help of their employer. Removing this option leaves the employer with 100% of the leverage (without a union, anyway).
- astronautjones 6y ago
  no, that's what all of this is about. conservatives don't like in principle that people are receiving unemployment for their pandemic-induced lost hours (employers - and in some states workers too - pay an unemployment tax on payroll to fund rainy days like these. that unemployment tax is largely subsidized by the federal government, as well) ETA: the conservatives are absolutely wrong, and the only way out of this is more help for those affected.
paxys 6y ago
It doesn't matter if you're still employed on paper. If you aren't getting paid (or even if you get a substantial paycut) you qualify for unemployment benefits. The tricky part is if you're willingly not working. "Staying at home because of COVID" is a valid reason that some state governments are accepting.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  No gov't in the country would question those unemployment benefits though, these days. So it's safe for them to file and collect.
  - ncallaway 6y ago
    That's not exactly true. Some states reopening (like GA) no longer consider a covid absence to still be eligible to receive benefits. I think those still have exceptions for high risk individuals.
  - cbanek 6y ago
    That doesn't seem true: https://labor.vermont.gov/unemployment-insurance/refusal-return-work-covid-19 https://labor.vermont.gov/unemployment-insurance/refusal-ret... I believe there was also an HN submission about a group of states doing these types of things to force people back to work even if they feel scared of catching the virus, or giving up their unemployment benefits, though I can't find it now, so Vermont isn't the only state doing this.
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      That _obviously_ does not include going back to work in violation of a public health order.
- teruakohatu 6y ago
  In this case, the country is preventing them from working under I presume the threat of arrest and/or fines. Surely is a good enough reason.

Traster 6y ago

They have a word for that: unemployment.

luckydata 6y ago

lol. my wife works there, that's not how Tesla works. 100% everyone that refuses to go to work now will get fired, they'll just make a list and do it later for optics. Tesla (Elon) emphatically doesn't give a shit about their employees.

jjcon 6y ago
My uncle works there and he would disagree with your characterization
- luckydata 6y ago
  Then he must be a weirdo because I never met a Tesla employee that believes the company cares about them. They all tend to believe Tesla is doing important work and are bought in the mission, but nobody has any illusions about how much the company loves them back. Humans are disposable there.
  - jjcon 6y ago
    Is your wife a janitor or something?

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