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Because the cure maybe worse using draconian lockdowns instead of just social distancing like Sweden: COVID-19 Is Likely to Lead to an Increase in Suicides: ht

Because the cure maybe worse using draconian lockdowns instead of just social distancing like Sweden: COVID-19 Is Likely to Lead to an Increase in Suicides: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/covid-19-is-likely-to-lead-to-an-increase-in-suicides/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/covid-19-i... The Untold Toll — The Pandemic’s Effects on Patients without Covid-19: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2009984 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2009984 Even if we open back up, we should still keep the elderly/at-risk populations as quarantined as possible. Practice social distancing. Not hold large festivals/gatherings/etc until we get a vaccine or achieve herd immunity.

sneak 6y ago
There are no draconian lockdowns, as yet, in the US, not are any currently planned.
- Kiro 6y ago
  Compared to Sweden they are certainly draconian.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Sweden argues that they have disciplined populace that does not socialize anyway. That they generally keep away from each other and follow rules without being forced to. I dont know whether it is true statistically, nor whether it will end up being food from them, but that is what people from Sweden argue.
  - vkou 6y ago
    Sweden is on an exponential growth curve, has five-to-ten times the deaths of its neighbours, is severely under-testing, and is instituting more and more aspects of a lockdown.
    - Kiro 6y ago
      It's not exponential any more. Just 40 new coronavirus deaths yesterday and the curve has been declining for two weeks (from a top of over 100). > and is instituting more and more aspects of a lockdown Like what? There haven't been any new restrictions for weeks.
- nsxwolf 6y ago
  We are headed for 30% unemployment. I'd hate to see what "draconian" lockdowns would do.
nl 6y ago
> COVID-19 Is Likely to Lead to an Increase in Suicides They didn't quantify the increase, but said Trump's warnings of "suicides by the thousands" "may be exaggerated". So that's a couple days of COVID-19 deaths in the US. > The Untold Toll — The Pandemic’s Effects on Patients without Covid-19 This explicitly says that the pandemic should have no effect on emergency admissions. The others (cancer sufferers who are avoiding hospitals etc) are the people most likely to die because of a reduction in social distancing. > Because the cure maybe worse using draconian lockdowns instead of just social distancing like Sweden Sweden's death rate is nearly 3 times that of Denmark, 4 times that of Norway, and nearly 10 times that of Finland. Since late April it has had to reverse its loose policies and start introducing bans similar to elsewhere[1]. [1] https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04 https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronav...
- teddyh 6y ago
  > Since late April it has had to reverse its loose policies and start introducing bans similar to elsewhere[1]. Citation does not support your claim. The reference you give was from April 17th (last friday), and references the barring of visits to nursing homes on April 1st, but no additional bans since that time.
  - nl 6y ago
    Sorry - typo, meant late March (obviously, since it was only written mid-April!). And the other restrictions were reducing the size of allowed gatherings (500 to 50) and importantly for this discussion introduced sanctions for non-compliance.

sneak 6y ago

There are no draconian lockdowns, as yet, in the US, not are any currently planned.

Kiro 6y ago
Compared to Sweden they are certainly draconian.
- watwut 6y ago
  Sweden argues that they have disciplined populace that does not socialize anyway. That they generally keep away from each other and follow rules without being forced to. I dont know whether it is true statistically, nor whether it will end up being food from them, but that is what people from Sweden argue.
- vkou 6y ago
  Sweden is on an exponential growth curve, has five-to-ten times the deaths of its neighbours, is severely under-testing, and is instituting more and more aspects of a lockdown.
  - Kiro 6y ago
    It's not exponential any more. Just 40 new coronavirus deaths yesterday and the curve has been declining for two weeks (from a top of over 100). > and is instituting more and more aspects of a lockdown Like what? There haven't been any new restrictions for weeks.
nsxwolf 6y ago
We are headed for 30% unemployment. I'd hate to see what "draconian" lockdowns would do.

nl 6y ago

> COVID-19 Is Likely to Lead to an Increase in Suicides They didn't quantify the increase, but said Trump's warnings of "suicides by the thousands" "may be exaggerated". So that's a couple days of COVID-19 deaths in the US. > The Untold Toll — The Pandemic’s Effects on Patients without Covid-19 This explicitly says that the pandemic should have no effect on emergency admissions. The others (cancer sufferers who are avoiding hospitals etc) are the people most likely to die because of a reduction in social distancing. > Because the cure maybe worse using draconian lockdowns instead of just social distancing like Sweden Sweden's death rate is nearly 3 times that of Denmark, 4 times that of Norway, and nearly 10 times that of Finland. Since late April it has had to reverse its loose policies and start introducing bans similar to elsewhere[1]. [1] https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04 https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronav...

teddyh 6y ago
> Since late April it has had to reverse its loose policies and start introducing bans similar to elsewhere[1]. Citation does not support your claim. The reference you give was from April 17th (last friday), and references the barring of visits to nursing homes on April 1st, but no additional bans since that time.
- nl 6y ago
  Sorry - typo, meant late March (obviously, since it was only written mid-April!). And the other restrictions were reducing the size of allowed gatherings (500 to 50) and importantly for this discussion introduced sanctions for non-compliance.