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Having a lease is not the same as “owing the bank money” to go with the loan analogy. Yes it’s painful for landlords but the landlords have options. If they kic

Having a lease is not the same as “owing the bank money” to go with the loan analogy. Yes it’s painful for landlords but the landlords have options. If they kicked WeWork out they’re not just out the money in the way a bank is if a borrower defaults. There’s some short term pain but if WeWork has long leases at some point it benefits the landlords to just kick them out and move on.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Landlords have mortgages to pay. Bondholders hold those notes. There is very little slack in the system for this scale of default.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  Some landlords have mortgages to pay. How many WW properties are still owned by Adam Neumann?
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  - eldavido 6y ago
    This whole thing frustrates me so much. It's like people are just spouting off random opinions not substantiated by any data or real-world experience...at all. I just looked it up. WeWork has 848 locations globally. These locations aren't in houses...they're in gargantuan, tall office buildings, worth tens/hundreds of millions of dollars each. If Adam Neumann is a billionaire, AND if he has most of his wealth in commercial real estate (I'm sure he doesn't), he might own...5-10 of these. The rest are owned by REITs like Simon Property Group, Thor Equities, CB Richard Ellis (CBRE), Jones Lang LaSalle (JLL), and others.
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    - smcl 6y ago
      I think you’re missing the point. There was a huge controversy a while back where it appeared as though Adam Neumann was fleecing the company - personally trademarking the “We” brand and selling it back to the company, buying up certain office space and leasing it back to WeWork.
eldavido 6y ago
Yes it is. It is exactly the same thing. A landlord is an unsecured creditor just like a lender with a loan that isn't backed by pledged collateral. In general, any unsecured creditor, whether bank, landlord, etc can sue or take other legal action to recover what they're owed. Though they might not win. What the common discourse around this situation misses is how the landlords are very much on the hook if WeWork blows up. Especially given the broader economic contraction, there is no scenario where the landlords will force WeWork into destruction/non-operation. WeWork might file for chapter 11 bankruptcy and there's going to be some losses, but the odds of this business simply saying, sorry guys, we're closed, pack up your shit and go home, are effectively zero.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

Landlords have mortgages to pay. Bondholders hold those notes. There is very little slack in the system for this scale of default.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
Some landlords have mortgages to pay. How many WW properties are still owned by Adam Neumann?
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- eldavido 6y ago
  This whole thing frustrates me so much. It's like people are just spouting off random opinions not substantiated by any data or real-world experience...at all. I just looked it up. WeWork has 848 locations globally. These locations aren't in houses...they're in gargantuan, tall office buildings, worth tens/hundreds of millions of dollars each. If Adam Neumann is a billionaire, AND if he has most of his wealth in commercial real estate (I'm sure he doesn't), he might own...5-10 of these. The rest are owned by REITs like Simon Property Group, Thor Equities, CB Richard Ellis (CBRE), Jones Lang LaSalle (JLL), and others.
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  - smcl 6y ago
    I think you’re missing the point. There was a huge controversy a while back where it appeared as though Adam Neumann was fleecing the company - personally trademarking the “We” brand and selling it back to the company, buying up certain office space and leasing it back to WeWork.

eldavido 6y ago

Yes it is. It is exactly the same thing. A landlord is an unsecured creditor just like a lender with a loan that isn't backed by pledged collateral. In general, any unsecured creditor, whether bank, landlord, etc can sue or take other legal action to recover what they're owed. Though they might not win. What the common discourse around this situation misses is how the landlords are very much on the hook if WeWork blows up. Especially given the broader economic contraction, there is no scenario where the landlords will force WeWork into destruction/non-operation. WeWork might file for chapter 11 bankruptcy and there's going to be some losses, but the odds of this business simply saying, sorry guys, we're closed, pack up your shit and go home, are effectively zero.