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This speaks volumes about the cronyist regulatory captured monopoly that the AMA has been able to install over the past hundred years.

cycrutchfield 6y ago
Ah yes, you surely know better than the trained professionals about how to best run an ICU. Just because you can call yourself a software engineer with little more than a high school diploma doesn’t mean that the same rules apply for doctors.
- roenxi 6y ago
  Doctors and nurses probably aren't trained how to run an ICU, they spend more than a decade learning about human bodies and they only have so much time. If corebit happens to be an Operations Research specialist then it is reasonably likely that they would be better at running an ICU than a typical professional medical worker. Medicine has traditionally had a problem with a large number of very clever people who are sufficiently insulated from other communities that they are a bit behind the times. A good humourous example is the 1994 paper where a doctor will rediscover calculus.
  - cycrutchfield 6y ago
    > If corebit happens to be an Operations Research specialist then it is reasonably likely that they would be better at running an ICU than a typical professional medical worker. Why do people on HN consistently presume that they somehow know better than the experts? It’s distressing to me that anybody can say something like this with a straight face.
    - seppin 6y ago
      It's a computer engineer thing. They think because they are smart at coding they are smart everywhere else too. It gets worse when they get more money: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528
    - omar_a1 6y ago
      Obviously because being an ICU doctor isn't something hard like writing code. Fewer buttons on a ventilator! /s But seriously, the amount of people on here trivializing modern medicine isn't helping matters. Granted, neither is business-as-usual, but a 30-day "ventilator boot camp" for untrained professionals is going to kill far more people than it helps. And a poor allocation of resources during a time of scarcity.
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        > But seriously, the amount of people on here trivializing modern medicine isn't helping matters. It's absolutely incredible. But that's exactly the kind of attitude that 'move fast and break things' fosters.
        mistermann 6y ago
        "Trivializing modern medicine" seems inconsistent with what I've read here, can you quote the text where someone has done this?
        DonHopkins 6y ago
        Nobody wants to respond to your attempts at sealioning. Quoting text to you isn't going to change your mind or behavior. Everything you've written here is inconsistent and contradictory, and you desperately try to derail the conversation and change the subject whenever anyone points that out, then you run away when you realize you've painted yourself into a corner and are getting called on it. Just look at how many downvotes and flags you're getting, and how many of your postings are light colored, dead, and hidden. You're well on your way to a shadow ban. I wonder how long it will take you to figure it out that the only people replying to you have "showdead" set to true, because they love to see you floundering. If somebody's paying you by the hour for trolling, then they certainly are not getting their money's worth, because the moderation system is working, as the text in your posts becomes lighter and lighter until your posts are hidden and nobody sees them, thankfully. Go back to Gamergate where you came from, mistermann.
      - 6y ago
    - ahelwer 6y ago
      lol this whole thread reminds me of the first time I dated a medical resident, carrying myself with similar confidence seen here, and quickly realized (after pissing them off with intensely ignorant statements a few times) I knew absolutely goddam nothing about medicine and how the human body works.
      - ALittleLight 6y ago
        Overconfidence is one class of error. Imagining that a ventilator is a magic machine you can only operate with the sorcerous reagent of a medical degree is another. Do you know how to operate a ventilator? Why do you think that volunteers couldn't learn to do it?
    - mistermann 6y ago
      A scarily high percentage of comments in this thread are people making presumptions, and asserting them as if they are fact. Some of those comments were written by you.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - cycrutchfield 6y ago
        A scarily high percentage of comments in this thread are from ignoramuses adding nothing of value to the discussion. Some of those comments were written by you.
    - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
      > "Why do people on HN consistently presume that they somehow know better than the experts?" There's actually a surprising amount of anti-intellectualism on HN, as evidenced by the persistent "People don't truly need a CS degree to be a qualified software developer; it's just gatekeeping." rhetoric one sees.
      - nradov 6y ago
        That's not anti-intellectualism. Most Computer Science programs are not intended to turn students into qualified software developers.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Intubation is a delicate procedure, error prone and risky for the person performing the procedure because a lot of stuff gets blown back at you if it doesn't work well the first time around. It's one of the major reasons so many healthcare professionals end up infected, and given that these are the worst patients and their viral loads are very high that risk is even higher than it might seem.
Rebelgecko 6y ago
I think it speaks more to the fact that medical school is mostly focused on book learning and residency is when doctors get most of their hands-on experience.

cycrutchfield 6y ago

Ah yes, you surely know better than the trained professionals about how to best run an ICU. Just because you can call yourself a software engineer with little more than a high school diploma doesn’t mean that the same rules apply for doctors.

roenxi 6y ago
Doctors and nurses probably aren't trained how to run an ICU, they spend more than a decade learning about human bodies and they only have so much time. If corebit happens to be an Operations Research specialist then it is reasonably likely that they would be better at running an ICU than a typical professional medical worker. Medicine has traditionally had a problem with a large number of very clever people who are sufficiently insulated from other communities that they are a bit behind the times. A good humourous example is the 1994 paper where a doctor will rediscover calculus.
- cycrutchfield 6y ago
  > If corebit happens to be an Operations Research specialist then it is reasonably likely that they would be better at running an ICU than a typical professional medical worker. Why do people on HN consistently presume that they somehow know better than the experts? It’s distressing to me that anybody can say something like this with a straight face.
  - seppin 6y ago
    It's a computer engineer thing. They think because they are smart at coding they are smart everywhere else too. It gets worse when they get more money: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528
  - omar_a1 6y ago
    Obviously because being an ICU doctor isn't something hard like writing code. Fewer buttons on a ventilator! /s But seriously, the amount of people on here trivializing modern medicine isn't helping matters. Granted, neither is business-as-usual, but a 30-day "ventilator boot camp" for untrained professionals is going to kill far more people than it helps. And a poor allocation of resources during a time of scarcity.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      > But seriously, the amount of people on here trivializing modern medicine isn't helping matters. It's absolutely incredible. But that's exactly the kind of attitude that 'move fast and break things' fosters.
      - mistermann 6y ago
        "Trivializing modern medicine" seems inconsistent with what I've read here, can you quote the text where someone has done this?
        DonHopkins 6y ago
        Nobody wants to respond to your attempts at sealioning. Quoting text to you isn't going to change your mind or behavior. Everything you've written here is inconsistent and contradictory, and you desperately try to derail the conversation and change the subject whenever anyone points that out, then you run away when you realize you've painted yourself into a corner and are getting called on it. Just look at how many downvotes and flags you're getting, and how many of your postings are light colored, dead, and hidden. You're well on your way to a shadow ban. I wonder how long it will take you to figure it out that the only people replying to you have "showdead" set to true, because they love to see you floundering. If somebody's paying you by the hour for trolling, then they certainly are not getting their money's worth, because the moderation system is working, as the text in your posts becomes lighter and lighter until your posts are hidden and nobody sees them, thankfully. Go back to Gamergate where you came from, mistermann.
    - 6y ago
  - ahelwer 6y ago
    lol this whole thread reminds me of the first time I dated a medical resident, carrying myself with similar confidence seen here, and quickly realized (after pissing them off with intensely ignorant statements a few times) I knew absolutely goddam nothing about medicine and how the human body works.
    - ALittleLight 6y ago
      Overconfidence is one class of error. Imagining that a ventilator is a magic machine you can only operate with the sorcerous reagent of a medical degree is another. Do you know how to operate a ventilator? Why do you think that volunteers couldn't learn to do it?
  - mistermann 6y ago
    A scarily high percentage of comments in this thread are people making presumptions, and asserting them as if they are fact. Some of those comments were written by you.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - cycrutchfield 6y ago
      A scarily high percentage of comments in this thread are from ignoramuses adding nothing of value to the discussion. Some of those comments were written by you.
  - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
    > "Why do people on HN consistently presume that they somehow know better than the experts?" There's actually a surprising amount of anti-intellectualism on HN, as evidenced by the persistent "People don't truly need a CS degree to be a qualified software developer; it's just gatekeeping." rhetoric one sees.
    - nradov 6y ago
      That's not anti-intellectualism. Most Computer Science programs are not intended to turn students into qualified software developers.
jacquesm 6y ago
Intubation is a delicate procedure, error prone and risky for the person performing the procedure because a lot of stuff gets blown back at you if it doesn't work well the first time around. It's one of the major reasons so many healthcare professionals end up infected, and given that these are the worst patients and their viral loads are very high that risk is even higher than it might seem.

Rebelgecko 6y ago

I think it speaks more to the fact that medical school is mostly focused on book learning and residency is when doctors get most of their hands-on experience.