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The number comes from the column named "symptomatic cases requiring hospitalisation"

ekidd 6y ago
You're right, I was misreading the column header. If we assume 50% asymptomatic, then that would get me down to, say, a 2.5% chance of needing a hospital. Which means, in the absence of drastic curve flattening measures, a 2.5% chance of half-drowning in my own lungs in a hospital corridor full of cots. Still sounds pretty awful. The key number we're missing is how many people catch the virus, but who defeat it quickly enough that they never show up on an RNA test. We'll need antibody surveys to figure that out. The Diamond Princess had 712 positive out of 3,711, but some people were tested fairly late. So if we assume half the ship caught it, that could cut the numbers in half again.
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- mathdev 6y ago
  > So if we assume half the ship caught it, that could cut the numbers in half again. Actually by a factor of four if we assume that the virus managed to reach everyone it was going to reach on the cruise ship and doesn't spread better on land. And if only those 712 caught it, that reduces your number by a factor of five. So we are already down from 4.9% to between 0.5% and 0.625-1.25%.
  - natrik 6y ago
    Agree with mathdev here. Looking at the data from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ It seems logical to state, at least within the US, the accuracy of deaths due to COVID-19 are more accurate than total cases of COVID-19. There are a lot of asymptomatic people out there. Even if someone has it with mild symptoms they are told to stay home and only reach the hospital if symptoms are severe. Deaths are more accurate as I assume a test can be performed posthumously for COVID-19. So, even with this exaggerated ratio, the US has 5 deaths/1M pop. One can reasonably argue this might've been worse if no quarantine measures were in place. However if the true rate is less than 1%, I think the economic effects will be more impactful. The above link also shows ~27k deaths worldwide due to COVID-19 at the moment. Italy had ~25k deaths due to the flu alone in 2016/2017.
    - tromp 6y ago
      That number is still rising exponentially though in Western countries due to lack of social distancing and mask wearing discipline. I fear we'll be approaching a million deaths worldwide in a matter of weeks.
      - Mikeb85 6y ago
        Not a chance. When all is said and done it'll be less than 100k.
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You're right, I was misreading the column header. If we assume 50% asymptomatic, then that would get me down to, say, a 2.5% chance of needing a hospital. Which means, in the absence of drastic curve flattening measures, a 2.5% chance of half-drowning in my own lungs in a hospital corridor full of cots. Still sounds pretty awful. The key number we're missing is how many people catch the virus, but who defeat it quickly enough that they never show up on an RNA test. We'll need antibody surveys to figure that out. The Diamond Princess had 712 positive out of 3,711, but some people were tested fairly late. So if we assume half the ship caught it, that could cut the numbers in half again.

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mathdev 6y ago
> So if we assume half the ship caught it, that could cut the numbers in half again. Actually by a factor of four if we assume that the virus managed to reach everyone it was going to reach on the cruise ship and doesn't spread better on land. And if only those 712 caught it, that reduces your number by a factor of five. So we are already down from 4.9% to between 0.5% and 0.625-1.25%.
- natrik 6y ago
  Agree with mathdev here. Looking at the data from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ It seems logical to state, at least within the US, the accuracy of deaths due to COVID-19 are more accurate than total cases of COVID-19. There are a lot of asymptomatic people out there. Even if someone has it with mild symptoms they are told to stay home and only reach the hospital if symptoms are severe. Deaths are more accurate as I assume a test can be performed posthumously for COVID-19. So, even with this exaggerated ratio, the US has 5 deaths/1M pop. One can reasonably argue this might've been worse if no quarantine measures were in place. However if the true rate is less than 1%, I think the economic effects will be more impactful. The above link also shows ~27k deaths worldwide due to COVID-19 at the moment. Italy had ~25k deaths due to the flu alone in 2016/2017.
  - tromp 6y ago
    That number is still rising exponentially though in Western countries due to lack of social distancing and mask wearing discipline. I fear we'll be approaching a million deaths worldwide in a matter of weeks.
    - Mikeb85 6y ago
      Not a chance. When all is said and done it'll be less than 100k.
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