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Probably the only time it's appropriate for outrage culture and to focus on the negative is exactly right now. Shame and tell everyone whenever possible to sta

Probably the only time it's appropriate for outrage culture and to focus on the negative is exactly right now. Shame and tell everyone whenever possible to stay the fuck inside because those are going to be the people that make you stay in lockdown for 6 months instead of 2. Otherwise this will be 10x worse in the US

guenthert 6y ago
No, it won't. If people mingle and fail to "flatten the curve", the whole mess will be over sooner, albeit with more dead old people. If you believe you can starve the virus of hosts, you're delusional.
- romants 6y ago
  What about China and South Korea? It's possible, but people do need to be more responsible
  - vonmoltke 6y ago
    I think it is dangerously premature to call anything in China or Korea "over".
    - romants 6y ago
      Definitely, no one is calling the situation over, but it is wildly different from Europe
  - vkou 6y ago
    They are both still under lockdown.
- bananabreakfast 6y ago
  Old people are not the only ones dying.
  - nostromo 6y ago
    Data from an Italian study: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-tho... Median age is 80.5. That's actually near the life expectancy of an Italian male. 99% of fatalities were among people with a prior illness. About half of the deaths were people suffering from three or more other illnesses. To put it very bluntly, a lot of the folks dying from COVID-19 were already dying. COVID-19 is the straw that broke the camel's back.
    - gokhan 6y ago
      You might be deadly wrong. About half of those infected in New York City are under 50 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html#link-63464ac9 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/nyregion/coronavirus-new-... ...preliminary figures released on Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that adults ages 20 to 44 represent nearly one-third of U.S. coronavirus patients whose ages are known. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-millennials-young-adults.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-millen...
      - nostromo 6y ago
        Anyone can get infected of course. Does that surprise you? The study was regarding fatalities. In any case, it's not me who you're calling "deadly" wrong, it's the Italian Ministry of Health.
        roskilli 6y ago
        CDC published numbers on Wednesday night that 40% of hospitalizations for COVID-19 in the US are adults younger than the age of 54. Sure they're not fatalities, but do you really want to go to an overcrowded hospital for COVID-19? (Will be worse when ventilators run out and hospitalization can't help you nearly as much)
        6y ago
- stan_rogers 6y ago
  As an "old people", I thank you for your consideration and concern.
  - arbitrary_name 6y ago
    You're welcome. If you live, remember to vote progressively on housing and other things that your generation has a death grip on. If you pass, my condolences: It wasn't personal, merely generational. With some remaining respect, Young People
nostromo 6y ago
It appears Seattle may have "flattened the curve" too much as new cases have flatlined. Sounds good!? But healthy young people aren't building up antibodies. Which means when we end social distancing, the virus will start spreading just like it did before. The goal here isn't to prevent everyone from getting it. The goal is to slowly build up heard immunity, in a way that doesn't overly burden the healthcare system, and to hopefully learn some new treatments along the way. https://depts.washington.edu/uwviro/ https://depts.washington.edu/uwviro/
- xyzzy_plugh 6y ago
  I am not so sure herd immunity is a goal. The idea is indeed to avoid overrunning the healthcare system, with an expectation that we can get the majority of the population successfully through the system. It's not well-known that we'll build even short term immunity, let alone long to medium term immunity. If new cases flatline, that's good! If we can avoid everyone getting it, that's even better! If the globe can get a handle on things, we don't need to solely consider worst-case scenarios.
- tempestn 6y ago
  Building up herd immunity without overwhelming the hospital system would take years. Instead we need to prevent spread as much as possible while testing is ramped up. Once we have free, fast, widespread testing, we can remove restrictions without risking new outbreaks, because new cases will be caught quickly.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  It is likely possible to engineer a vaccine for this virus. If we can social distance long enough to get that out, people's lives are saved.

guenthert 6y ago

No, it won't. If people mingle and fail to "flatten the curve", the whole mess will be over sooner, albeit with more dead old people. If you believe you can starve the virus of hosts, you're delusional.

romants 6y ago
What about China and South Korea? It's possible, but people do need to be more responsible
- vonmoltke 6y ago
  I think it is dangerously premature to call anything in China or Korea "over".
  - romants 6y ago
    Definitely, no one is calling the situation over, but it is wildly different from Europe
- vkou 6y ago
  They are both still under lockdown.
bananabreakfast 6y ago
Old people are not the only ones dying.
- nostromo 6y ago
  Data from an Italian study: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-tho... Median age is 80.5. That's actually near the life expectancy of an Italian male. 99% of fatalities were among people with a prior illness. About half of the deaths were people suffering from three or more other illnesses. To put it very bluntly, a lot of the folks dying from COVID-19 were already dying. COVID-19 is the straw that broke the camel's back.
  - gokhan 6y ago
    You might be deadly wrong. About half of those infected in New York City are under 50 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html#link-63464ac9 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/nyregion/coronavirus-new-... ...preliminary figures released on Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that adults ages 20 to 44 represent nearly one-third of U.S. coronavirus patients whose ages are known. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-millennials-young-adults.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-millen...
    - nostromo 6y ago
      Anyone can get infected of course. Does that surprise you? The study was regarding fatalities. In any case, it's not me who you're calling "deadly" wrong, it's the Italian Ministry of Health.
      - roskilli 6y ago
        CDC published numbers on Wednesday night that 40% of hospitalizations for COVID-19 in the US are adults younger than the age of 54. Sure they're not fatalities, but do you really want to go to an overcrowded hospital for COVID-19? (Will be worse when ventilators run out and hospitalization can't help you nearly as much)
        6y ago
stan_rogers 6y ago
As an "old people", I thank you for your consideration and concern.
- arbitrary_name 6y ago
  You're welcome. If you live, remember to vote progressively on housing and other things that your generation has a death grip on. If you pass, my condolences: It wasn't personal, merely generational. With some remaining respect, Young People

nostromo 6y ago

It appears Seattle may have "flattened the curve" too much as new cases have flatlined. Sounds good!? But healthy young people aren't building up antibodies. Which means when we end social distancing, the virus will start spreading just like it did before. The goal here isn't to prevent everyone from getting it. The goal is to slowly build up heard immunity, in a way that doesn't overly burden the healthcare system, and to hopefully learn some new treatments along the way. https://depts.washington.edu/uwviro/ https://depts.washington.edu/uwviro/

xyzzy_plugh 6y ago
I am not so sure herd immunity is a goal. The idea is indeed to avoid overrunning the healthcare system, with an expectation that we can get the majority of the population successfully through the system. It's not well-known that we'll build even short term immunity, let alone long to medium term immunity. If new cases flatline, that's good! If we can avoid everyone getting it, that's even better! If the globe can get a handle on things, we don't need to solely consider worst-case scenarios.
tempestn 6y ago
Building up herd immunity without overwhelming the hospital system would take years. Instead we need to prevent spread as much as possible while testing is ramped up. Once we have free, fast, widespread testing, we can remove restrictions without risking new outbreaks, because new cases will be caught quickly.
shadowgovt 6y ago
It is likely possible to engineer a vaccine for this virus. If we can social distance long enough to get that out, people's lives are saved.