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That starts World War 3.

by anonexpat 7y ago

leberkleister 7y ago
Who would you expect to join in on the side of the CCP?
- jvanderbot 7y ago
  Russia, Iran, NK, a number of countries we ignore in Africa.
  - leberkleister 7y ago
    Other than NK, do the others have any material alliance with the CCP or is this based on their less-than-friendly stance with the US? Unsure why they would join a shooting war.
    - jvanderbot 7y ago
      Its a somewhat educated guess if they would but I meant who answer who might. I personally anticipate an escalation of tensions along NATO / non-NATO lines and exploitation of destabilized regions. It's almost inevitable, classic Thucydides trap combined with NATO. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/the-thucydides-trap/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/the-thucydides-trap/
    - frank2 7y ago
      You don't understand why the government of Iran would resent the US so much that they would contribute military resources to harm the US?
      - leberkleister 7y ago
        Given their population isn’t a big fan of their governance, and actually holds a positive view of the US, I have sincere doubts to the possibility. Perhaps aiding and abetting? But an act of war, no.
        jvanderbot 7y ago
        Depends. Iran has (allegedly) committed what could be constituted as acts of war already. With the US in a heightened state of engagement in direct conflict with China and possibly regional actors, the Gulf of Oman seems like a great place to touch off a regional conflict.
        jessaustin 7y ago
        ...their population isn’t a big fan of their governance. Why would you believe this? The last time they didn't like their government, they replaced it with the current government. Even the Ayatollah was pissed off that they mistakenly shot down a plane full of Iranians; they weren't about to curb the relatively limited public demonstrations that agreed with him on that topic. Oh, let me guess... you learned of the average Iranian's great political discontent from the USA war media. "Wishful thinking disguised as reporting" leads to wishful thinking in place of analysis.
    - obmelvin 7y ago
      The belt and road initiative is creating alliances between China and many countries in Africa and Asia.
  - jariel 7y ago
    "Russia, Iran, NK, a number of countries we ignore in Africa." Russia won't, neither will most African nations. There won't be a war anyhow.
throwaway_tech 7y ago
It seems your position is that the response is the trigger not the initial aggression. How did WW2 start? With Hitler invading Poland or was that fine, and UK/France bear the blame of the WW2 by declaring war on hitler in response?

That starts World War 3.

leberkleister 7y ago

Who would you expect to join in on the side of the CCP?

jvanderbot 7y ago
Russia, Iran, NK, a number of countries we ignore in Africa.
- leberkleister 7y ago
  Other than NK, do the others have any material alliance with the CCP or is this based on their less-than-friendly stance with the US? Unsure why they would join a shooting war.
  - jvanderbot 7y ago
    Its a somewhat educated guess if they would but I meant who answer who might. I personally anticipate an escalation of tensions along NATO / non-NATO lines and exploitation of destabilized regions. It's almost inevitable, classic Thucydides trap combined with NATO. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/the-thucydides-trap/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/the-thucydides-trap/
  - frank2 7y ago
    You don't understand why the government of Iran would resent the US so much that they would contribute military resources to harm the US?
    - leberkleister 7y ago
      Given their population isn’t a big fan of their governance, and actually holds a positive view of the US, I have sincere doubts to the possibility. Perhaps aiding and abetting? But an act of war, no.
      - jvanderbot 7y ago
        Depends. Iran has (allegedly) committed what could be constituted as acts of war already. With the US in a heightened state of engagement in direct conflict with China and possibly regional actors, the Gulf of Oman seems like a great place to touch off a regional conflict.
      - jessaustin 7y ago
        ...their population isn’t a big fan of their governance. Why would you believe this? The last time they didn't like their government, they replaced it with the current government. Even the Ayatollah was pissed off that they mistakenly shot down a plane full of Iranians; they weren't about to curb the relatively limited public demonstrations that agreed with him on that topic. Oh, let me guess... you learned of the average Iranian's great political discontent from the USA war media. "Wishful thinking disguised as reporting" leads to wishful thinking in place of analysis.
  - obmelvin 7y ago
    The belt and road initiative is creating alliances between China and many countries in Africa and Asia.
- jariel 7y ago
  "Russia, Iran, NK, a number of countries we ignore in Africa." Russia won't, neither will most African nations. There won't be a war anyhow.

throwaway_tech 7y ago

It seems your position is that the response is the trigger not the initial aggression. How did WW2 start? With Hitler invading Poland or was that fine, and UK/France bear the blame of the WW2 by declaring war on hitler in response?