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> What happens when people refuse So give them that chance to say no. Right now, you're advocating for paying $81k/year (average for CA prisons) to keep people

> What happens when people refuse So give them that chance to say no. Right now, you're advocating for paying $81k/year (average for CA prisons) to keep people in prison, instead of trying to fix the underlying causes. Estimates put the number of homeless people in California at roughly 120k+, including families, children, etc. So if we solve the problem as you are proposing, by putting them in prison right now, that's $9.7 billion / year. It would more than double the current California prison population, from current 115k people, to 235k+, and we'd need new child prisons, because a lot of those homeless folks are families with children. Putting "vagrants" and other "homeless" people in prison is stupidly expensive, pointlessly punitive, and doesn't solve the underlying economic or social problems. It doesn't stop people from being poor, it just makes being poor suck worse than it already does. All you've done is put a bunch of vulnerable people in prison.

quotemstr 7y ago
There is no economic problem. We're in the best job market in half a century, perhaps the best ever. If a able bodies person isn't working, it's because he doesn't want to work. I'm under no obligation to support street drug addicts merely because you cast them as victims. They are not victims. They are criminals. Is prison expensive? Sure. I bet it doesn't have to cost that much to lock people up. But even if it does, locking people up is a much better use of public funds than endless and equally expensive homeless "services" that enable bad behavior.
- DrJosiah 7y ago
  > There is no economic problem. Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01... Basically every family of 2+ adults have 2+ jobs in order to make things work today. Not 1, like the 50's when taxes on the wealthy was high, but 2+. More adults live at home today than ever before. We're in the worst job market in aggregate, as all real wages for the middle class are below starvation-level. > I bet it doesn't have to cost that much to lock people up. You are talking out of your ass. If you can do better, then run a business housing prisoners, and make a pile of money. Instead, you've provided literally nothing to the conversation aside from "things can't be that bad, these are bad people". You've got no information, you've just got bad, hurtful, and hateful opinions. Take a class or read a book on social justice, find a way out of your edgelord shitposting. I'm done wasting my time on you.

quotemstr 7y ago

There is no economic problem. We're in the best job market in half a century, perhaps the best ever. If a able bodies person isn't working, it's because he doesn't want to work. I'm under no obligation to support street drug addicts merely because you cast them as victims. They are not victims. They are criminals. Is prison expensive? Sure. I bet it doesn't have to cost that much to lock people up. But even if it does, locking people up is a much better use of public funds than endless and equally expensive homeless "services" that enable bad behavior.

DrJosiah 7y ago
> There is no economic problem. Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01... Basically every family of 2+ adults have 2+ jobs in order to make things work today. Not 1, like the 50's when taxes on the wealthy was high, but 2+. More adults live at home today than ever before. We're in the worst job market in aggregate, as all real wages for the middle class are below starvation-level. > I bet it doesn't have to cost that much to lock people up. You are talking out of your ass. If you can do better, then run a business housing prisoners, and make a pile of money. Instead, you've provided literally nothing to the conversation aside from "things can't be that bad, these are bad people". You've got no information, you've just got bad, hurtful, and hateful opinions. Take a class or read a book on social justice, find a way out of your edgelord shitposting. I'm done wasting my time on you.