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I generally enjoy reading hn but such right wing ideologies make me feel sick in the stomach. Please take into account when making such statements the US (or w

by xtho 16y ago

I generally enjoy reading hn but such right wing ideologies make me feel sick in the stomach. Please take into account when making such statements the US (or whereever you live) is not the world. And just because you got brainwashed after decades of conservative government doesn't mean the rest of the world is. But the rest of the world also participates in this community.

endtime 16y ago
I generally enjoy reading HN, but reddit-style thought-policing like this makes me sick to my stomach. The guy's not a rapist or a neo-Nazi, he's just not a socialist. Get over yourself.
- davidw 16y ago
  This whole thread is EXHIBIT A of why there should be no politics here.
  - endtime 16y ago
    In case it's not apparent from my comment, I agree 100%.
  - hugh3 16y ago
    And the fact that this comment was modded up to eight "Waaaaah, your ideology makes me sick" is a sign that things have gone way off the rails. I'm gonna set my noprocrast to 87000 minutes now and come back in two months.
    - davidw 16y ago
      People's ideologies do make other people angry though. Which is why they should be aired on other sites.
      - nika 16y ago
        IS that the fault of the minority who thinks different and then angers the majority? Or is that he fault of the majority who is so sensitive it cannot tolerate a minority that doesn't agree absolutely completely?
        davidw 16y ago
        I don't care - I just don't want to see these endless debates here. They are always the same and go 'round and 'round and nothing is ever accomplished other than pissing people off.
        JoachimSchipper 16y ago
        As far as I can tell, the majority just wants the politics debates to stop.
- ugh 16y ago
  This is pure semantics but are you really comfortable calling anyone who doesn’t want a flat tax a socialist? Someone who doesn’t want a flat tax could have voted for any party in my country.
  - endtime 16y ago
    I was being a little facetious, yes, but if someone to be actually sickened by ebaysuck's position then that constrains my prediction of his beliefs a little more than just not wanting a flat tax for e.g. practical reasons. In other words, I don't think just anyone who doesn't want a flat tax would say what xtho said.
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ebaysucks 16y ago
I'm an anarcho-capitalist i.e. I've never seen proof for objective morality of any sort (including democracy) hence I support free markets to make the rules of society by group selection and feet voting. Just as humanity doesn't need a forced state religion to be religious, humanity doesn't need a forced tax system to be social. Please consider this view point. Don't confuse personal ethics and political morality.
- nika 16y ago
  Sigh, I think it is a damn shame that you were put to -1 for attempting to clarify. I'm happy to get you to zero. Personally, I prefer the term "Abolitionist" to "anarcho-capitalist." I'm an abolitionist because, just like the movement of old, I endorse the abolition of slavery. Governments consider people property (the US taxes worldwide income) and believes it owns the output of said property.
  - ebaysucks 16y ago
    Thanks. Abolitionist is also a good word indeed. Another one might be political atheism. The downvotes are OK though. People feel very strongly about certain ideas for society and mistake freedom for critique on the idea instead of just on the method (coercion). For some reason parts of the world got over religious coercion. One day we'll hopefully have the same for ideological coercion.
- loewenskind 16y ago
  >I'm an anarcho-capitalist Do you have any good (online) literature for your position? It seems to me that having money/bartering implies a government no matter how you slice it. I can see potential with some anarchical systems, just not primitivism or ancap.
  - ebaysucks 16y ago
    From the Chicago School of Economics, there is David Friedman with "The machinery of freedom". [1] A large part of the Austrian school of economics is also ancap. A great overview of the insights today can be found in "Libertarianism today" by Jacob Huebert. [2] [1] www.voluntaryistpunk.com/ebooks/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf [2] http://mises.org/store/Libertarianism-Today-P10394.aspx http://mises.org/store/Libertarianism-Today-P10394.aspx Edit: You talked about money in a free market. For that topic I recommend "What has government done to our money?" by Murray Rothbard. [3] [3] mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf
nika 16y ago
I'm really saddened to see that so many people have come to believe that thinking differently is wrong and should be suppressed. That coercion and violence against the innocent is the norm and that people who think that we should live free from violence and coercion are "right wing" and "brainwashed". To tell him not to participate here because he thinks differently than you is to say that your mind is not open to new ideas and that you cannot bear to be exposed to anything that comes from a different philosophical basis than the one upon which you were raised. Can you see how that is anti-intellectual?
- xtho 16y ago
  I didn't tell him not to participate but I asked not to dump his view on other readers since this isn't a site about political or economic theory.

by xtho 16y ago

endtime 16y ago

I generally enjoy reading HN, but reddit-style thought-policing like this makes me sick to my stomach. The guy's not a rapist or a neo-Nazi, he's just not a socialist. Get over yourself.

davidw 16y ago
This whole thread is EXHIBIT A of why there should be no politics here.
- endtime 16y ago
  In case it's not apparent from my comment, I agree 100%.
- hugh3 16y ago
  And the fact that this comment was modded up to eight "Waaaaah, your ideology makes me sick" is a sign that things have gone way off the rails. I'm gonna set my noprocrast to 87000 minutes now and come back in two months.
  - davidw 16y ago
    People's ideologies do make other people angry though. Which is why they should be aired on other sites.
    - nika 16y ago
      IS that the fault of the minority who thinks different and then angers the majority? Or is that he fault of the majority who is so sensitive it cannot tolerate a minority that doesn't agree absolutely completely?
      - davidw 16y ago
        I don't care - I just don't want to see these endless debates here. They are always the same and go 'round and 'round and nothing is ever accomplished other than pissing people off.
      - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
        As far as I can tell, the majority just wants the politics debates to stop.
ugh 16y ago
This is pure semantics but are you really comfortable calling anyone who doesn’t want a flat tax a socialist? Someone who doesn’t want a flat tax could have voted for any party in my country.
- endtime 16y ago
  I was being a little facetious, yes, but if someone to be actually sickened by ebaysuck's position then that constrains my prediction of his beliefs a little more than just not wanting a flat tax for e.g. practical reasons. In other words, I don't think just anyone who doesn't want a flat tax would say what xtho said.

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ebaysucks 16y ago

I'm an anarcho-capitalist i.e. I've never seen proof for objective morality of any sort (including democracy) hence I support free markets to make the rules of society by group selection and feet voting. Just as humanity doesn't need a forced state religion to be religious, humanity doesn't need a forced tax system to be social. Please consider this view point. Don't confuse personal ethics and political morality.

nika 16y ago
Sigh, I think it is a damn shame that you were put to -1 for attempting to clarify. I'm happy to get you to zero. Personally, I prefer the term "Abolitionist" to "anarcho-capitalist." I'm an abolitionist because, just like the movement of old, I endorse the abolition of slavery. Governments consider people property (the US taxes worldwide income) and believes it owns the output of said property.
- ebaysucks 16y ago
  Thanks. Abolitionist is also a good word indeed. Another one might be political atheism. The downvotes are OK though. People feel very strongly about certain ideas for society and mistake freedom for critique on the idea instead of just on the method (coercion). For some reason parts of the world got over religious coercion. One day we'll hopefully have the same for ideological coercion.
loewenskind 16y ago
>I'm an anarcho-capitalist Do you have any good (online) literature for your position? It seems to me that having money/bartering implies a government no matter how you slice it. I can see potential with some anarchical systems, just not primitivism or ancap.
- ebaysucks 16y ago
  From the Chicago School of Economics, there is David Friedman with "The machinery of freedom". [1] A large part of the Austrian school of economics is also ancap. A great overview of the insights today can be found in "Libertarianism today" by Jacob Huebert. [2] [1] www.voluntaryistpunk.com/ebooks/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf [2] http://mises.org/store/Libertarianism-Today-P10394.aspx http://mises.org/store/Libertarianism-Today-P10394.aspx Edit: You talked about money in a free market. For that topic I recommend "What has government done to our money?" by Murray Rothbard. [3] [3] mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

nika 16y ago

I'm really saddened to see that so many people have come to believe that thinking differently is wrong and should be suppressed. That coercion and violence against the innocent is the norm and that people who think that we should live free from violence and coercion are "right wing" and "brainwashed". To tell him not to participate here because he thinks differently than you is to say that your mind is not open to new ideas and that you cannot bear to be exposed to anything that comes from a different philosophical basis than the one upon which you were raised. Can you see how that is anti-intellectual?

xtho 16y ago
I didn't tell him not to participate but I asked not to dump his view on other readers since this isn't a site about political or economic theory.