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That in itself may be considered a victory, depending on how far China is pushed and how they respond. If the rest of the world won't/can't do business with Chi
by pariahHN 7y ago
That in itself may be considered a victory, depending on how far China is pushed and how they respond. If the rest of the world won't/can't do business with China anymore, that would be bad for China. HK's last ditch objective could end up as goading China into chopping off it's own feet to put down the protestors. A pyrrhic victory for sure, but still a victory in the long run.
- Loughla 7y agoThat's an optimistic world-view. If they put down the protesters violently, I'm not convinced it would really have an impact more than 6 months out. Maybe I'm too cynical, but honestly, there don't really seem to be any negative long-term repercussions for bad actors in today's world.
- Chirael 7y agoIt pushes innovators out, which is strategically problematic long-term. If you were an innovator, would that be the kind of environment you'd want to stay in?
- enriquto 7y agoit pushes innovators out only in the short term
- Chirael 7y agoHow is an oppressive and/or corrupt environment any more welcoming to innovators in a longer time horizon?
- enriquto 7y agoIt is already oppressive and corrupt today, yet it has no problem attracting as many "innovators" as it needs to. The only thing that may be unwelcoming are local instabilities like the hong kong stuff.
- onepointsixC 7y agoA HK crack down would be flash point which would force the hand of many countries. European nations such as Germany have been trying to avoid taking sides in order to preserve market access. Thus far the CCP have succeeded in gradually degrading free societies ability to speak ill of them. A HK crack down would force all who believe in liberal values to grow a spine.
- mey 7y agoor show complete geopolitical weakness. I am hoping for the spine growth.
- himlion 7y agoI hope so. I just don't see how relations wouldn't be slowly normalized again within a year. I've seen very few lasting measures for bad actors. Even Russia, which was responsible for the downing of MH17 killing 193 Dutch citizens, is a major trading partner of the Netherlands.
- shifto 7y agoThis still makes me angry and I don't know what I can do about it.
- baq 7y agothat happened at least once before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests - next 30 years weren't exactly bad for China.