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Its intended to fuck over Facebook. If you're charging for a service you can simply offer a discount for allowing data collection after bumping prices for every

Its intended to fuck over Facebook. If you're charging for a service you can simply offer a discount for allowing data collection after bumping prices for everyone by the same amount, Facebook however isn't charging. Facebook can't offer a discount on free, and they can't just force only users who opt-out to go pay (because that falls afoul of the first quote you put). Basically this puts Facebook in a real tight situation, I honestly wonder how they will survive it.

StavrosK 7y ago
They can start charging everyone and offer a "data-share discount" back to free.
- mattnewton 7y ago
  They would survive but I imagine that would either cause enourmous sign-up friction, or if they hide it too well, might run afoul of the law?
  - StavrosK 7y ago
    Yeah, it would not go well for them for sure.
taurath 7y ago
Opt-out for GDPR is under 1%. Most people don't care at the moment, sadly. However, a mass movement to opt-out would absolutely affect them. This lays the groundwork for that, and thats what they should be afraid of.
- chronic71819 7y ago
  > Opt-out for GDPR is under 1%. Most people don't care at the moment, sadly. Correct. On top of that, many people on HN, aware of the privacy implications, continue to have a Google Home / Alexa in their homes. Myself included. Sadly, I (and many people) simply don't care about privacy. The probability/expected negatives of surveillance abuse is far less than the benefit of being able to turn my lights on and off with my voice. The US will for sure become like China in 10-20 years, with regards to surveillance.
  - filoleg 7y ago
    >The US will for sure become like China in 10-20 years, with regards to surveillance. I very much doubt it. It is one thing when a bunch of small and big companies collect pieces of data about you, and another when the centralized governmentt does it. Also, it really matters what that data is used for. I would be hard-pressed to compare the onslaught of personalized ads with "disappearing" people who speak out against the government. Just look at US-related political posts on twitter. Why would you even need surveillance if people feel perfectly safe to publicly air out their negative feelings towards the government to a giant audience.
- Macha 7y ago
  Is opt out given equal weighting or hidden 3 pages deep into "Learn more" > "manage preferences" while opt in is just an "ok" (or worse "X") away. the one site I know that gave that yes/no choice was Wikia, and they've converted to the dark patterns approach now too so presumably they saw their opt out rate as too high and were emboldened by others getting away with it
- flukus 7y ago
  What's the opt-in? GDPR doesn't allow opt-out as a default.
Zarel 7y ago
I don't think that specific part fucks over Facebook; Facebook doesn't sell data (it sells ads based on the data, which, having skimmed the law, it doesn't seem to cover).

StavrosK 7y ago

They can start charging everyone and offer a "data-share discount" back to free.

mattnewton 7y ago
They would survive but I imagine that would either cause enourmous sign-up friction, or if they hide it too well, might run afoul of the law?
- StavrosK 7y ago
  Yeah, it would not go well for them for sure.

taurath 7y ago

Opt-out for GDPR is under 1%. Most people don't care at the moment, sadly. However, a mass movement to opt-out would absolutely affect them. This lays the groundwork for that, and thats what they should be afraid of.

chronic71819 7y ago
> Opt-out for GDPR is under 1%. Most people don't care at the moment, sadly. Correct. On top of that, many people on HN, aware of the privacy implications, continue to have a Google Home / Alexa in their homes. Myself included. Sadly, I (and many people) simply don't care about privacy. The probability/expected negatives of surveillance abuse is far less than the benefit of being able to turn my lights on and off with my voice. The US will for sure become like China in 10-20 years, with regards to surveillance.
- filoleg 7y ago
  >The US will for sure become like China in 10-20 years, with regards to surveillance. I very much doubt it. It is one thing when a bunch of small and big companies collect pieces of data about you, and another when the centralized governmentt does it. Also, it really matters what that data is used for. I would be hard-pressed to compare the onslaught of personalized ads with "disappearing" people who speak out against the government. Just look at US-related political posts on twitter. Why would you even need surveillance if people feel perfectly safe to publicly air out their negative feelings towards the government to a giant audience.
Macha 7y ago
Is opt out given equal weighting or hidden 3 pages deep into "Learn more" > "manage preferences" while opt in is just an "ok" (or worse "X") away. the one site I know that gave that yes/no choice was Wikia, and they've converted to the dark patterns approach now too so presumably they saw their opt out rate as too high and were emboldened by others getting away with it
flukus 7y ago
What's the opt-in? GDPR doesn't allow opt-out as a default.

Zarel 7y ago

I don't think that specific part fucks over Facebook; Facebook doesn't sell data (it sells ads based on the data, which, having skimmed the law, it doesn't seem to cover).