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And Obama or PAC's used the exact same tactics in 2012 it has been shown, but nobody cared then because the home team was doing the doping and nobody knew about

And Obama or PAC's used the exact same tactics in 2012 it has been shown, but nobody cared then because the home team was doing the doping and nobody knew about them yet.

dunstad 7y ago
Obama isn't a foreign power.
acgh213 7y ago
This is an interesting claim and any information about this you could provide would be helpful
- colordrops 7y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-...
- alexeldeib 7y ago
  FWIW, I don't think this is particularly revelatory. The Obama campaign was known for its effective and widespread use of digital voter information. e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-obama-campaign-won-the-race-for-voter-data/2013/07/28/ad32c7b4-ee4e-11e2-a1f9-ea873b7e0424_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-obama-campai...
- alexeldeib 7y ago
  Double reply, but for a different angle it might be interesting to read The Gamble: Choice and Chance in the 2012 Election. It paints an interesting picture of what was effective and what wasn't in political advertising (classical advertising mostly, less focused on social media). In some cases, it's remarkable how close the margins were and how little change campaigns might effect.
481092 7y ago
There were conservatives who cared then. But yeah, traditional media tends to be more liberal so you heard about it more this time. I guess that's the tradeoff we have. In America, media tends to bias towards liberalism as we know it whereas other industries like military and police might have a more right-wing bias. At least in the former, it might hurt people's feelings when the media says things you don't like but the power the latter has over people's lives is even more worthy of mention, which it rarely is. Sorry about the whataboutism but that was also your argument.
- luckylion 7y ago
  > At least in the former, it might hurt people's feelings when the media says things you don't like but the power the latter has over people's lives is even more worthy of mention, which it rarely is. The military or police don't really play a large role in deciding who's going to be elected though.
  - 481092 7y ago
    You've never served, have you? The military is highly influential, especially among family, in influencing political views. Not to mention social media which gives us all a pen as well as a sword, proverbially. Either way, if you complain about being oppressed by powers, all the aforementioned are a potential force of it so it's mostly moot to complain of the bias of one without mentioning the bias of the others.
    - luckylion 7y ago
      > The military is highly influential, especially among family, in influencing political views That's something very different vs the media. If you break it down to "they can influence somebody", then well, kindergarten teachers have influence over elections. > so it's mostly moot to complain of the bias of one without mentioning the bias of the others As soon as the military starts a coup and takes power, you'll be absolutely right. Until then, they don't decide domestic elections.

And Obama or PAC's used the exact same tactics in 2012 it has been shown, but nobody cared then because the home team was doing the doping and nobody knew about them yet.

dunstad 7y ago

Obama isn't a foreign power.

acgh213 7y ago

This is an interesting claim and any information about this you could provide would be helpful

colordrops 7y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-...
alexeldeib 7y ago
FWIW, I don't think this is particularly revelatory. The Obama campaign was known for its effective and widespread use of digital voter information. e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-obama-campaign-won-the-race-for-voter-data/2013/07/28/ad32c7b4-ee4e-11e2-a1f9-ea873b7e0424_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-obama-campai...
alexeldeib 7y ago
Double reply, but for a different angle it might be interesting to read The Gamble: Choice and Chance in the 2012 Election. It paints an interesting picture of what was effective and what wasn't in political advertising (classical advertising mostly, less focused on social media). In some cases, it's remarkable how close the margins were and how little change campaigns might effect.

481092 7y ago

There were conservatives who cared then. But yeah, traditional media tends to be more liberal so you heard about it more this time. I guess that's the tradeoff we have. In America, media tends to bias towards liberalism as we know it whereas other industries like military and police might have a more right-wing bias. At least in the former, it might hurt people's feelings when the media says things you don't like but the power the latter has over people's lives is even more worthy of mention, which it rarely is. Sorry about the whataboutism but that was also your argument.

luckylion 7y ago
> At least in the former, it might hurt people's feelings when the media says things you don't like but the power the latter has over people's lives is even more worthy of mention, which it rarely is. The military or police don't really play a large role in deciding who's going to be elected though.
- 481092 7y ago
  You've never served, have you? The military is highly influential, especially among family, in influencing political views. Not to mention social media which gives us all a pen as well as a sword, proverbially. Either way, if you complain about being oppressed by powers, all the aforementioned are a potential force of it so it's mostly moot to complain of the bias of one without mentioning the bias of the others.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > The military is highly influential, especially among family, in influencing political views That's something very different vs the media. If you break it down to "they can influence somebody", then well, kindergarten teachers have influence over elections. > so it's mostly moot to complain of the bias of one without mentioning the bias of the others As soon as the military starts a coup and takes power, you'll be absolutely right. Until then, they don't decide domestic elections.