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Is the creation of the United States laughable? What was used in order to gain that freedom from Britain? Firearms maybe?

Udik 7y ago
The last time some of the US states tried to secede from the rest of the union and gain their "freedom" (they were of course heavily armed) they were attacked and crushed in a war that lasted 4 years and caused almost a million deaths. So in that case the weapons didn't work. Or did they? Sometimes armed rebellion has good outcomes, sometimes (probably more often) it has horribly tragic ones. Prolonged political pressure and alliances, non-violent protest, can give equally good results without the risk of creating bloodsheds like the US secession war or the current Syrian civil war (that as horrendous as it is, has yet to claim as many victims as the US secession war).
- nameismypw 7y ago
  This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. Not everybody has the luxury of waiting for a peaceful revolution to happen.
  - Udik 7y ago
    > This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. I'll spare myself the obvious retort. Not everyone has the privilege of starting an armed revolution and succeed, or simply survive. Not everyone who does is guaranteed to be in the right (for example the US states that tried to secede). And the outcome can be complete destruction for yourself, for your city and your region, and hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions displaced and homeless- many of whom couldn't care less about your "revolution". Do I condemn armed resistance? No. Of course not, sometimes it is inevitable. But the idea that you should distribute firearms to people just in case somebody one day decides he's fed up and wants to start shooting other people for freedom, or for white supremacy, or- why not- for a religious caliphate- that is ridiculous.
AYBABTME 7y ago
We're there tanks back then?
- phjesusthatguy3 7y ago
  >We're there tanks back then? No, we're here taking potshots at each other on the Internet.
  - trumpreality 7y ago
    It's as plausible as my alchoholic decrepid uncle being in the 80's Angola wars; I know the commanders since then, it's been disqualified. Tanks, sure, but, no uncles, in the specific sorts. Fucking thieves of valour. (Fought with the LE, legion entrangere commanders, in later wars, no uncles was there.) I was everywhere, but, stolen valour suckes trick. Fucking military simulants. Either fight or truck, or dang, more to speak, off..
TheBranca18 7y ago
It really is quite astounding that you are willfully ignoring the context of history in order to push this point about a tyrannical government. The current United States government is tyrannical and has been since its inception if you're of a certain race. And yet, the only time a large group rose up was to defend their right to enslave said race. So yes, the creation of the United States was laughable because it established guidelines that it immediately broke. And then we get to the point that the Declaration of Independence was in 1776 and you're still trying to apply the rules of that time to this time. Or failing to mention the foreign help from groups such as the French, which were instrumental in winning the Revolutionary War.
- kortilla 7y ago
  Not sure you’re using the right definition of tyranny

Udik 7y ago

The last time some of the US states tried to secede from the rest of the union and gain their "freedom" (they were of course heavily armed) they were attacked and crushed in a war that lasted 4 years and caused almost a million deaths. So in that case the weapons didn't work. Or did they? Sometimes armed rebellion has good outcomes, sometimes (probably more often) it has horribly tragic ones. Prolonged political pressure and alliances, non-violent protest, can give equally good results without the risk of creating bloodsheds like the US secession war or the current Syrian civil war (that as horrendous as it is, has yet to claim as many victims as the US secession war).

nameismypw 7y ago
This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. Not everybody has the luxury of waiting for a peaceful revolution to happen.
- Udik 7y ago
  > This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. I'll spare myself the obvious retort. Not everyone has the privilege of starting an armed revolution and succeed, or simply survive. Not everyone who does is guaranteed to be in the right (for example the US states that tried to secede). And the outcome can be complete destruction for yourself, for your city and your region, and hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions displaced and homeless- many of whom couldn't care less about your "revolution". Do I condemn armed resistance? No. Of course not, sometimes it is inevitable. But the idea that you should distribute firearms to people just in case somebody one day decides he's fed up and wants to start shooting other people for freedom, or for white supremacy, or- why not- for a religious caliphate- that is ridiculous.

AYBABTME 7y ago

We're there tanks back then?

phjesusthatguy3 7y ago
>We're there tanks back then? No, we're here taking potshots at each other on the Internet.
- trumpreality 7y ago
  It's as plausible as my alchoholic decrepid uncle being in the 80's Angola wars; I know the commanders since then, it's been disqualified. Tanks, sure, but, no uncles, in the specific sorts. Fucking thieves of valour. (Fought with the LE, legion entrangere commanders, in later wars, no uncles was there.) I was everywhere, but, stolen valour suckes trick. Fucking military simulants. Either fight or truck, or dang, more to speak, off..

TheBranca18 7y ago

It really is quite astounding that you are willfully ignoring the context of history in order to push this point about a tyrannical government. The current United States government is tyrannical and has been since its inception if you're of a certain race. And yet, the only time a large group rose up was to defend their right to enslave said race. So yes, the creation of the United States was laughable because it established guidelines that it immediately broke. And then we get to the point that the Declaration of Independence was in 1776 and you're still trying to apply the rules of that time to this time. Or failing to mention the foreign help from groups such as the French, which were instrumental in winning the Revolutionary War.

kortilla 7y ago
Not sure you’re using the right definition of tyranny