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Feels like anyone going head to head with Tesla is in for a hard time. It must be very hard to compete with the cachet of Tesla and the speed with which they im

Feels like anyone going head to head with Tesla is in for a hard time. It must be very hard to compete with the cachet of Tesla and the speed with which they improve their vehicles.

7472697374616E 7y ago
And compete with the vast network of superchargers Tesla's already established for themselves...
- threeseed 7y ago
  Electrify America is rolling out their own supercharger equivalent. And in fact will soon have more 350kw chargers than Tesla.
  - colordrops 7y ago
    Really? I haven't seen one yet.
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      Here's one: https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/08/electrify-america-350-kw-ev-chargers-california/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/08/electrify-america-350-kw... Ionity is installing 350kw chargers in Europe: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And so is Fastned: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/blog/post/fastned-opens-its-first-350k-w-ready-fast-charging-station-in-the-united-kingdom https://fastnedcharging.com/en/blog/post/fastned-opens-its-f...
      - marvin 7y ago
        Do any of these actually operate near 350kw with any production cars yet? Anyways, it's a good thing for the whole electric vehicle ecosystem that multiple charging options become available. That multiple companies are competing on charging infrastructure is excellent!
        clouddrover 7y ago
        > Do any of these actually operate near 350kw with any production cars yet? Not yet. The Porsche Taycan is launching with 250 kw charging (with 350 kw charging to come in future) but I haven't seen any information on its charge curve. The Tesla Model 3 can charge at 250kw to about 20% state of charge and then it progressively drops off.
  - mgoetzke 7y ago
    Would that just be locations or actual stalls ? Because the number of actual stalls I most often saw here in Germany from e.g Ionity is limited to 2. Which is a no-go for me.
  - iddqd 7y ago
    Tesla owners will have access to both networks.
clouddrover 7y ago
Maybe. Compare the Mercedes EQC to the Tesla Model X. The EQC is quieter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mNkRtdK84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mNkRtdK84 The EQC has more sophisticated headlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMNkMadYTQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMNkMadYTQ And the EQC has voice control (although they really need a better triggering phrase than "Mercedes"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTew1D5Tk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTew1D5Tk8 I think Tesla's main problem now is that the major car companies will be releasing multiple EVs across multiple brands year after year. It's going to be difficult for Tesla to keep up.
- booi 7y ago
  People have been saying this for 5 years now and Tesla didn’t even invent the electric car. Also... who complains about how loud a Tesla is?
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > who complains about how loud a Tesla is? People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.
    - virgilp 7y ago
      I.e. the Mercedes CEO? Also for the other two.... really? Who t.f. wants voice control in their car? Better lights are nice, sure... but it's a minor improvement (most people drive most of the time by day, and even by night, all car lights are "good enough". I paid 2K EUR to get better lights in my car, and they're great when I have to use them, but even I wouldn't have picked my car based on this criteria.... I even hesitated to give the extra money!)
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        The EQC also has better fit and finish and is cheaper than the Model X. Compare UK prices for the EQC: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/eqc/specs https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/eqc/specs And the Model X: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/modelx/design?redirect=no#battery https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/modelx/design?redirect=no#batter...
fgonzag 7y ago
the porsche taycan seems like the ideal electric car honestly. If the price is not that ridiculous it'll probably be my first electric vehicle.
- martin_bech 7y ago
  I myself was waiting for the Taycan, its looks stunning, and is very impressive, but on pure specs, its actually the same size as a Model 3 Performance, and a little slower... So I just ordered a Model 3 Performance. I currently drive a Model S.
  - ulfw 7y ago
    How is that even remotely similar? Wow
    - martin_bech 7y ago
      The Model 3 Performance and the Taycan? They are about the same size, 0-100, top speed, range, charge rate etc etc. I'll admit that the Taycan will be very nice looking, but it will also be about twice the price, if going for the same performance.
      - ulfw 7y ago
        You know, cars aren't just about performance numbers. Or nobody would buy a Rolls Royce over a Golf GTI.
      - adrr 7y ago
        You don't buy a Porsche for 0 to 100 performance as there are better cars on the market for that. You buy a Porsche because you want the fastest track cars that will best any other car on the Nurburgring. The Taycan will be the fastest production electric car on the Ring.
        martin_bech 7y ago

Feels like anyone going head to head with Tesla is in for a hard time. It must be very hard to compete with the cachet of Tesla and the speed with which they improve their vehicles.

7472697374616E 7y ago

And compete with the vast network of superchargers Tesla's already established for themselves...

threeseed 7y ago
Electrify America is rolling out their own supercharger equivalent. And in fact will soon have more 350kw chargers than Tesla.
- colordrops 7y ago
  Really? I haven't seen one yet.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    Here's one: https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/08/electrify-america-350-kw-ev-chargers-california/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/08/electrify-america-350-kw... Ionity is installing 350kw chargers in Europe: https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html https://ionity.eu/en/design-and-tech.html And so is Fastned: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/blog/post/fastned-opens-its-first-350k-w-ready-fast-charging-station-in-the-united-kingdom https://fastnedcharging.com/en/blog/post/fastned-opens-its-f...
    - marvin 7y ago
      Do any of these actually operate near 350kw with any production cars yet? Anyways, it's a good thing for the whole electric vehicle ecosystem that multiple charging options become available. That multiple companies are competing on charging infrastructure is excellent!
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        > Do any of these actually operate near 350kw with any production cars yet? Not yet. The Porsche Taycan is launching with 250 kw charging (with 350 kw charging to come in future) but I haven't seen any information on its charge curve. The Tesla Model 3 can charge at 250kw to about 20% state of charge and then it progressively drops off.
- mgoetzke 7y ago
  Would that just be locations or actual stalls ? Because the number of actual stalls I most often saw here in Germany from e.g Ionity is limited to 2. Which is a no-go for me.
- iddqd 7y ago
  Tesla owners will have access to both networks.

clouddrover 7y ago

Maybe. Compare the Mercedes EQC to the Tesla Model X. The EQC is quieter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mNkRtdK84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mNkRtdK84 The EQC has more sophisticated headlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMNkMadYTQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMNkMadYTQ And the EQC has voice control (although they really need a better triggering phrase than "Mercedes"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTew1D5Tk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTew1D5Tk8 I think Tesla's main problem now is that the major car companies will be releasing multiple EVs across multiple brands year after year. It's going to be difficult for Tesla to keep up.

booi 7y ago
People have been saying this for 5 years now and Tesla didn’t even invent the electric car. Also... who complains about how loud a Tesla is?
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > who complains about how loud a Tesla is? People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.
  - virgilp 7y ago
    I.e. the Mercedes CEO? Also for the other two.... really? Who t.f. wants voice control in their car? Better lights are nice, sure... but it's a minor improvement (most people drive most of the time by day, and even by night, all car lights are "good enough". I paid 2K EUR to get better lights in my car, and they're great when I have to use them, but even I wouldn't have picked my car based on this criteria.... I even hesitated to give the extra money!)
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      The EQC also has better fit and finish and is cheaper than the Model X. Compare UK prices for the EQC: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/eqc/specs https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/eqc/specs And the Model X: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/modelx/design?redirect=no#battery https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/modelx/design?redirect=no#batter...

fgonzag 7y ago

the porsche taycan seems like the ideal electric car honestly. If the price is not that ridiculous it'll probably be my first electric vehicle.

martin_bech 7y ago
I myself was waiting for the Taycan, its looks stunning, and is very impressive, but on pure specs, its actually the same size as a Model 3 Performance, and a little slower... So I just ordered a Model 3 Performance. I currently drive a Model S.
- ulfw 7y ago
  How is that even remotely similar? Wow
  - martin_bech 7y ago
    The Model 3 Performance and the Taycan? They are about the same size, 0-100, top speed, range, charge rate etc etc. I'll admit that the Taycan will be very nice looking, but it will also be about twice the price, if going for the same performance.
    - ulfw 7y ago
      You know, cars aren't just about performance numbers. Or nobody would buy a Rolls Royce over a Golf GTI.
    - adrr 7y ago
      You don't buy a Porsche for 0 to 100 performance as there are better cars on the market for that. You buy a Porsche because you want the fastest track cars that will best any other car on the Nurburgring. The Taycan will be the fastest production electric car on the Ring.
      - martin_bech 7y ago