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Agreed. The eu is basically a german/french dictatorship. The thing is, once the uk recovers after the leave event, many other eu countries will follow suit.
by trilila 7y ago
Agreed. The eu is basically a german/french dictatorship. The thing is, once the uk recovers after the leave event, many other eu countries will follow suit.
- don_neufeld 7y agoThey won’t recover, that’s not how trade works.
- beaner 7y agoEU is more than just a trade agreement and there is nothing preventing trade agreements between the UK and the EU from being developed post-brexit.
- throwaway122379 7y ago1st of November, Boris (or whoever is PM then) asks EU for trade deal. They respond with, "great, so about: 1. Irish border and Good Friday agreement 2. EU Citizens rights in UK 3. Payment of billions to which previous UK governments signed up to as EU member 4. How will you ensure low quality food from US does not enter EU"
- bigbaguette 7y agoThis is how international trade works. It's intimately intertwined with diplomacy and each party will play according to its own interests, related or not. Just like Russia could say "no gas for you" if you make too much of a fuss about what happened in Crimea. Now if the UK's view of its own future diverges from the EU, it's totally normal to see complications appear during negotiations.
- jashmatthews 7y agoAfter leaving, the UK will be in a weak negotiating position. Recession is almost certain, and even using an existing trade deal like CETA as a basis will take multiple years to negotiate because of the current UK red lines, like controlling their own immigration policy. Canada had to adjust their immigration policy for several EU countries to get CETA. The UK will be over a barrel and will have to make major concessions. Whether you're pro EU or not this situation is a total balls-up.
- don_neufeld 7y agoExactly. This is going to go extremely badly for the UK.
- samsonradu 7y agoWatching the UK negotiating a trade deal with the USA and China at the same time, considering the current geopolitical climate, will be outright interesting. Also take the HK situation into consideration. Hard to imagine a good outcome.
- throwaway122379 7y agoWhat? EU is loose federation of 28 EQUAL members I think the UK has a problem with being an equal and has not got over its loss of empire, just look at how they treat their own constituent countries such as Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales
- mschuster91 7y ago> What? EU is loose federation of 29 EQUAL members To be fair: whatever us Germans and the French want, we eventually get - most often by outright nation-scale bribery. It's all backroom dealing - for example, us Germans get no opposition preventing harsher pollution regimes EU-wide (to protect our heavy car-oriented industry), the countries which would oppose get EU funding grants for construction or whatever.
- abraae 7y agoTo be fair: an economically stronger partner getting more of what they want because of backroom dealing etc. is not a "german/french dictatorship" as stated by OP - it's simple realpolitik.
- renaudg 7y agoLikewise for the UK. Not even talking about the outrageously good (even slightly unfair) membership rebate they have, I remember reading that the UK has been outvoted around 2% of the time at the EU level, and not on important matters either.
- trilila 7y agoThe eu is far from a federation. And there is much imbalance between eu countries that a few more will burst against germany’s dictats. Everything that happens in the eu is decided by that country. Really worrying that few other countries speak up against it.
- throwaway122379 7y agoCare to provide an example?
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