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I feel like this comment must me a satire of HN?

by nzjrs 7y ago

kmnt 7y ago
whats seems satirical about this? most construction companies just buy coroplast signs, I used to make them its why I was surprised hes spending hours on this as the article states.
- mattl 7y ago
  It’s completely disrespectful to the artistry of the work. It’s the same thing as that original response to Dropbox. “For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.”
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >It’s completely disrespectful to the artistry of the work. It's not about the artistry and never intended to be, it's about the end result (functionality wise) and whether you can get it for less effort. (In fact, I've less several other comments lauding the artistry aspect, e.g. notice my comment posted an hour before yours above: "Sure. I prefer the uniqueness, and quirkiness myself. It's something different than the usual industrial approach. But I'm just responding to people who saying it couldn't be done in another way (have they ever been involved with sign making? of course it could) or that it wont save time to have it done another way, or that it would cost more...")
    - nzjrs 7y ago
      Literally no one thinks this can't be done another (automated) way. This is HN! This is a beautiful post about a true craftsman in another domain, as is appreciated here, and you really think no one has heard of laser cutters? We all know this. Insight is also about calibrating ones response to the audience.
      - kmnt 7y ago
        I think what is being reacted to though is that its being done in a business context. Construction companies do not typically value good graphic design or hand lettering. This is stomped out for efficiency, cheap coroplast and vinyl wayfinding signs are quickly churned out and discarded. Sato's signs are surprising to me because he hasn't been displaced.
      - HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
        People do think this can be automated- I do. The issue is that some commenters are putting down manual labor while somebody is doing something that benefits the greater population of their town.
        nzjrs 7y ago
        I think you misread my Can't as Can...
        HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
        No, no I didn't.
        deleted 7y ago
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zorak 7y ago
seriously...it's like the HN Drinking Game in here
coldtea 7y ago
What exactly feels like satire to you? As your comment is content-less I can't tell. This is how thousands of small businesses and organizations the world over produce signs. What seems bizarre to you?
- sowbug 7y ago
  It's the legendary 2007 Dropbox comment but with plotters instead of FTP.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    Hmm, is the above supposed to be satire itself? The Dropbox comment was about a startup making cross platform desktop/mobile sync easy, and a facile dismissal about being able to hack something similar together with FOSS tools which missed both the complexity of the domain and the main point which was convenience for the average Joe. This is about a guy making subway signs for route changes and other such situations with duct tape working for half a day or more to produce one, and a suggestion that the same job could be more easily have been done much faster (and at a similar cost) with some desktop software (even Word would do it) and a plotter or a simpler laser printer. The second suggestion is not just not outlandish, but also how such signs are done in tons of businesses and organizations all around the world. Dropbox case: Complex domain, difficult to simplify, main selling point being "works out of the box" -> Suggestion of a nerdy, ad-hoc process, that needs elaborate setup maintenance This case: Trivial domain, done in a labor intensive personal manner with lots of needless manual labor -> Suggestion of a much simpler, most common way businesses/orgs do it You could argue that doing it with printing misses the quirkiness, personal touch, uniqueness of the process, and I totally agree. But not that this process can't be automated and replaced with a simple PC+printing for less manual labor and low cost. I've done it for a couple organizations I've worked at, and it's trivial. You can print black and white A0 and larger signs for a dollar (and color for $10 depending on size, up to A0 which is 33.1 x 46.8 in). In fact the whole point of the article about this Tokyo subway guy, is that it's a unique case because this (duct tape and hours of manual labour) is NOT the way such things are usually done.
    - 7y ago
kirstenbirgit 7y ago
It's funny you mention this. Certain personality types just have a hard time understanding stuff like this. I guess it's due to being ultra-rational or maybe slightly autistic. Reminds me of one of my coworkers. Extremely intelligent software dev. Take him to an art museum and nothing will interest him. Put some music on that's not in his genre and he'll always put on his headphones instead of trying to listen to something new. But start talking about one of his interests, and he'll carry the conversation forever. He just has a hard time understanding why other humans do what they do and like what they like, because he doesn't.
- lowdose 7y ago
  I think we all have him as colleague.

I feel like this comment must me a satire of HN?

by nzjrs 7y ago

I feel like this comment must me a satire of HN?

kmnt 7y ago

whats seems satirical about this? most construction companies just buy coroplast signs, I used to make them its why I was surprised hes spending hours on this as the article states.

mattl 7y ago
It’s completely disrespectful to the artistry of the work. It’s the same thing as that original response to Dropbox. “For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.”
- coldtea 7y ago
  >It’s completely disrespectful to the artistry of the work. It's not about the artistry and never intended to be, it's about the end result (functionality wise) and whether you can get it for less effort. (In fact, I've less several other comments lauding the artistry aspect, e.g. notice my comment posted an hour before yours above: "Sure. I prefer the uniqueness, and quirkiness myself. It's something different than the usual industrial approach. But I'm just responding to people who saying it couldn't be done in another way (have they ever been involved with sign making? of course it could) or that it wont save time to have it done another way, or that it would cost more...")
  - nzjrs 7y ago
    Literally no one thinks this can't be done another (automated) way. This is HN! This is a beautiful post about a true craftsman in another domain, as is appreciated here, and you really think no one has heard of laser cutters? We all know this. Insight is also about calibrating ones response to the audience.
    - kmnt 7y ago
      I think what is being reacted to though is that its being done in a business context. Construction companies do not typically value good graphic design or hand lettering. This is stomped out for efficiency, cheap coroplast and vinyl wayfinding signs are quickly churned out and discarded. Sato's signs are surprising to me because he hasn't been displaced.
    - HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
      People do think this can be automated- I do. The issue is that some commenters are putting down manual labor while somebody is doing something that benefits the greater population of their town.
      - nzjrs 7y ago
        I think you misread my Can't as Can...
        HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
        No, no I didn't.
        deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]

zorak 7y ago

seriously...it's like the HN Drinking Game in here

coldtea 7y ago

What exactly feels like satire to you? As your comment is content-less I can't tell. This is how thousands of small businesses and organizations the world over produce signs. What seems bizarre to you?

sowbug 7y ago
It's the legendary 2007 Dropbox comment but with plotters instead of FTP.
- coldtea 7y ago
  Hmm, is the above supposed to be satire itself? The Dropbox comment was about a startup making cross platform desktop/mobile sync easy, and a facile dismissal about being able to hack something similar together with FOSS tools which missed both the complexity of the domain and the main point which was convenience for the average Joe. This is about a guy making subway signs for route changes and other such situations with duct tape working for half a day or more to produce one, and a suggestion that the same job could be more easily have been done much faster (and at a similar cost) with some desktop software (even Word would do it) and a plotter or a simpler laser printer. The second suggestion is not just not outlandish, but also how such signs are done in tons of businesses and organizations all around the world. Dropbox case: Complex domain, difficult to simplify, main selling point being "works out of the box" -> Suggestion of a nerdy, ad-hoc process, that needs elaborate setup maintenance This case: Trivial domain, done in a labor intensive personal manner with lots of needless manual labor -> Suggestion of a much simpler, most common way businesses/orgs do it You could argue that doing it with printing misses the quirkiness, personal touch, uniqueness of the process, and I totally agree. But not that this process can't be automated and replaced with a simple PC+printing for less manual labor and low cost. I've done it for a couple organizations I've worked at, and it's trivial. You can print black and white A0 and larger signs for a dollar (and color for $10 depending on size, up to A0 which is 33.1 x 46.8 in). In fact the whole point of the article about this Tokyo subway guy, is that it's a unique case because this (duct tape and hours of manual labour) is NOT the way such things are usually done.
  - 7y ago

kirstenbirgit 7y ago

It's funny you mention this. Certain personality types just have a hard time understanding stuff like this. I guess it's due to being ultra-rational or maybe slightly autistic. Reminds me of one of my coworkers. Extremely intelligent software dev. Take him to an art museum and nothing will interest him. Put some music on that's not in his genre and he'll always put on his headphones instead of trying to listen to something new. But start talking about one of his interests, and he'll carry the conversation forever. He just has a hard time understanding why other humans do what they do and like what they like, because he doesn't.

lowdose 7y ago
I think we all have him as colleague.