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I think because it’s pretty cheap (free) to make inspiring speeches to privileged American students about an esoteric ‘right to be human’. Meanwhile Apple effe

I think because it’s pretty cheap (free) to make inspiring speeches to privileged American students about an esoteric ‘right to be human’. Meanwhile Apple effectively withholds tax from a range of countries who would probably use that to provide basic social services to those in need of them, or runs (through its contractors) factories that withhold basic human rights from staff.

kortilla 7y ago
Are you upset that Apple is following the law? Those countries are free to tax Apple however much they want.
- pixelatedindex 7y ago
  My understanding is that it's the law itself that needs to be fixed. Companies shouldn't be able to get away with billions in tax evasion.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    Apple would claim this is legal avoidance, not illegal evasion. Tax law is the acts and statutes that bring it into existence, but it's also the case law that shapes it. EU tax authorities tend to take a light touch approach - they'll tell you that they think you're non-compliant and how they want you to fix it. You can then tell them why they're wrong. They tend not to go to court against huge companies for anything other than blatant violations. So, maybe the law is right, and Apple (etc etc) isn't following it correctly, but the enforcement of that law is wrong.
- jasonlotito 7y ago
  I mean, Tim Cook is basically coming out against companies that are following the law at least as much as Apple. People just don't like the way the laws are currently setup. Apple even benefited from these lack of legal grounds in the past to get through their own privacy issues[4]. And it's not like Apple is innocent here. They've done illegal things in the past that directly hurt users [1] and it's employees and other people in the industry [2]. They have a long history of violating user trust [3]. This isn't to say they are unique in this. Most large companies deal with these sorts of things. But Apple isn't innocent. They just happen to find an area where they can claim to take the high ground because their business model allows it. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-ebooks/apple-colluded-on-e-book-prices-judge-finds-idUSBRE9690GE20130710 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-ebooks/apple-collud... [2] https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-po... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#In-app_purchases_class_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#In-app_p... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#iPad_and_iPhone_privacy_issue_class_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#iPad_and... "The problem facing the plaintiffs is the current state of electronic privacy law, the issue being that there is no national privacy law that provides for compensatory damages for breach of privacy"

kortilla 7y ago

Are you upset that Apple is following the law? Those countries are free to tax Apple however much they want.

pixelatedindex 7y ago
My understanding is that it's the law itself that needs to be fixed. Companies shouldn't be able to get away with billions in tax evasion.
- DanBC 7y ago
  Apple would claim this is legal avoidance, not illegal evasion. Tax law is the acts and statutes that bring it into existence, but it's also the case law that shapes it. EU tax authorities tend to take a light touch approach - they'll tell you that they think you're non-compliant and how they want you to fix it. You can then tell them why they're wrong. They tend not to go to court against huge companies for anything other than blatant violations. So, maybe the law is right, and Apple (etc etc) isn't following it correctly, but the enforcement of that law is wrong.
jasonlotito 7y ago
I mean, Tim Cook is basically coming out against companies that are following the law at least as much as Apple. People just don't like the way the laws are currently setup. Apple even benefited from these lack of legal grounds in the past to get through their own privacy issues[4]. And it's not like Apple is innocent here. They've done illegal things in the past that directly hurt users [1] and it's employees and other people in the industry [2]. They have a long history of violating user trust [3]. This isn't to say they are unique in this. Most large companies deal with these sorts of things. But Apple isn't innocent. They just happen to find an area where they can claim to take the high ground because their business model allows it. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-ebooks/apple-colluded-on-e-book-prices-judge-finds-idUSBRE9690GE20130710 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-ebooks/apple-collud... [2] https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-po... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#In-app_purchases_class_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#In-app_p... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#iPad_and_iPhone_privacy_issue_class_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#iPad_and... "The problem facing the plaintiffs is the current state of electronic privacy law, the issue being that there is no national privacy law that provides for compensatory damages for breach of privacy"