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Not only is he not a journalist, he actively encouraged others to steal and disseminate classified information. That is a crime in this country and most, if not

Not only is he not a journalist, he actively encouraged others to steal and disseminate classified information. That is a crime in this country and most, if not all, other countries I would imagine. Having a website doesn't make you a journalist. Calling yourself a journalist didn't make it so. Courts will have to decide that I suppose.

Miner49er 7y ago
He's not even a US citizen. Why should he face our laws? Should American woman be extradited to Saudi Arabia for not following their laws? Should American citizens be extradited to North Korea, or China, for exposing their government secrets? It's extremely authoritarian for the United States to do this. It's not only an attack on free speech, it's the United States applying it's laws to everyone in the world. Also, it doesn't matter if he's a journalist or not. It's an attack on freedom of the press or freedom of speech either way.
- levelist_com 7y ago
  Actually we have extradition treaties/agreements with many countries so yes if an American were to break the law of another country that country could in fact ask to have that person arrested and extradited.
  - Miner49er 7y ago
    We do, but isn't that typically when the law was originally broken in the country they are to be extradited to? Not overseas? I'm also aware this isn't the first time the U.S. has done this sort of thing, but it's still very authoritarian.
    - levelist_com 7y ago
      So... let me get this straight. Youre alright with a foreign national stealing or encouraging the theft of classified US intel and publishing as long as it didnt happen on US soil? Further, youre alright with Americans being exposed and/or killed b/c of it? Because, you know, though it was a crime against the US, it was perpetrated by a foreign national of foreign soil?
      - Miner49er 7y ago
        That's beside the point. I don't think the person in that example should face charges in the U.S., no. (But maybe they should in their own country, and obviously any murderers should be brought to trial in their own country)
        levelist_com 7y ago
        I, like the government, would disagree with you on that. Obviously youre entitled to that opinion.
      - crdoconnor 7y ago
        >Further, youre alright with Americans being exposed and/or killed b/c of it? There's no evidence of this. Since the leaks were about embarrassing unprosecuted US military murders of civilians arguably it saved lives by driving them to be more careful.
        levelist_com 7y ago
        There is no evidence of this that you are aware of. >There's no evidence of this. Since the leaks were about embarrassing unprosecuted US military murders of civilians arguably it saved lives by driving them to be more careful. this is absolute nonsense
        darkpuma 7y ago
        Is there evidence that you are aware of?
        levelist_com 7y ago
        Does there need to be? No. An E-3 isn't in the position to know whether it will or won't and its pretty fucking arrogant to assume that risk. Do you know that it saved lives? No you don't. You couldnt, and whether it did or did not, it wasn't Manning's call to make.
- rhino369 7y ago
  >He's not even a US citizen. Why should he face our laws Because he allegedly spied on our country. That gives us the right to charge him. If someone plots to murder someone but does it over the Internet, should they be immune from legal action?

Miner49er 7y ago

He's not even a US citizen. Why should he face our laws? Should American woman be extradited to Saudi Arabia for not following their laws? Should American citizens be extradited to North Korea, or China, for exposing their government secrets? It's extremely authoritarian for the United States to do this. It's not only an attack on free speech, it's the United States applying it's laws to everyone in the world. Also, it doesn't matter if he's a journalist or not. It's an attack on freedom of the press or freedom of speech either way.

levelist_com 7y ago
Actually we have extradition treaties/agreements with many countries so yes if an American were to break the law of another country that country could in fact ask to have that person arrested and extradited.
- Miner49er 7y ago
  We do, but isn't that typically when the law was originally broken in the country they are to be extradited to? Not overseas? I'm also aware this isn't the first time the U.S. has done this sort of thing, but it's still very authoritarian.
  - levelist_com 7y ago
    So... let me get this straight. Youre alright with a foreign national stealing or encouraging the theft of classified US intel and publishing as long as it didnt happen on US soil? Further, youre alright with Americans being exposed and/or killed b/c of it? Because, you know, though it was a crime against the US, it was perpetrated by a foreign national of foreign soil?
    - Miner49er 7y ago
      That's beside the point. I don't think the person in that example should face charges in the U.S., no. (But maybe they should in their own country, and obviously any murderers should be brought to trial in their own country)
      - levelist_com 7y ago
        I, like the government, would disagree with you on that. Obviously youre entitled to that opinion.
    - crdoconnor 7y ago
      >Further, youre alright with Americans being exposed and/or killed b/c of it? There's no evidence of this. Since the leaks were about embarrassing unprosecuted US military murders of civilians arguably it saved lives by driving them to be more careful.
      - levelist_com 7y ago
        There is no evidence of this that you are aware of. >There's no evidence of this. Since the leaks were about embarrassing unprosecuted US military murders of civilians arguably it saved lives by driving them to be more careful. this is absolute nonsense
        darkpuma 7y ago
        Is there evidence that you are aware of?
        levelist_com 7y ago
        Does there need to be? No. An E-3 isn't in the position to know whether it will or won't and its pretty fucking arrogant to assume that risk. Do you know that it saved lives? No you don't. You couldnt, and whether it did or did not, it wasn't Manning's call to make.
rhino369 7y ago
>He's not even a US citizen. Why should he face our laws Because he allegedly spied on our country. That gives us the right to charge him. If someone plots to murder someone but does it over the Internet, should they be immune from legal action?