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Any idea how this might affect (or help) projects like iSH, or similar? I've been fighting to be productive on my iPad, and currently that takes the form of a

Any idea how this might affect (or help) projects like iSH, or similar? I've been fighting to be productive on my iPad, and currently that takes the form of a remote terminal. I've been craving the ability to run a proper Unix shell locally.

lykr0n 7y ago
I highly doubt that you're going to get a proper shell on the iPad.
- derefr 7y ago
  I'm assuming you mean a shell into the iPad's own Unix environment. You could build something for iOS that works like Crouton does on ChromeOS just fine. (Just, nobody has done it yet, for some reason. The iPad Pro is plenty powerful enough to run VMs!)
  - matthewbauer 7y ago
    I don't think it's as easy as crouton. There's no chroot or user namespace equivalent for XNU.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      iSH does this by emulating Linux rather than virtualizing it.
- BlackRing 7y ago
  Both Pythonista and OpenTerm on iOS are "good enough" for a lot of what I need, but it would be nice to have a proper shell. Even if it's jailed/locked to /private/var/mobile
larkost 7y ago
No effect at all. Apple is unlikely to make this possible, and given the sandboxing of Apps on iOS a meaningful version of this for local resources outside of the App are prohibited.
- dlivingston 7y ago
  Agreed. There are some basic terminals available on iOS/iPadOS though, with ssh and other capabilities, but I can't speak to how productive one could really be with them. I wholly expect to see a version of Xcode released on the iPad within the few years, though.
  - brantonb 7y ago
    I use Blink[1] to Mosh to an EC2 instance where I use Jekyll, Vim, and Git to edit a static website that’s built and deployed when I push master. I can transfer images from my Photos library using the local shell, which I then resize on the VM. I’ve heard people speculating about “Xcode on iPad within a few years” since Swift Playgrounds was released. Hopefully it’s closer now, but I’m still skeptical. [1] https://blink.sh https://blink.sh
    - judge2020 7y ago
      On a similar note, I hope an iOS (/iPadOS) app is in the works for https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview
saagarjha 7y ago
iSH is not affected, since it currently only touches files inside of its sandbox.

lykr0n 7y ago

I highly doubt that you're going to get a proper shell on the iPad.

derefr 7y ago
I'm assuming you mean a shell into the iPad's own Unix environment. You could build something for iOS that works like Crouton does on ChromeOS just fine. (Just, nobody has done it yet, for some reason. The iPad Pro is plenty powerful enough to run VMs!)
- matthewbauer 7y ago
  I don't think it's as easy as crouton. There's no chroot or user namespace equivalent for XNU.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    iSH does this by emulating Linux rather than virtualizing it.
BlackRing 7y ago
Both Pythonista and OpenTerm on iOS are "good enough" for a lot of what I need, but it would be nice to have a proper shell. Even if it's jailed/locked to /private/var/mobile

larkost 7y ago

No effect at all. Apple is unlikely to make this possible, and given the sandboxing of Apps on iOS a meaningful version of this for local resources outside of the App are prohibited.

dlivingston 7y ago
Agreed. There are some basic terminals available on iOS/iPadOS though, with ssh and other capabilities, but I can't speak to how productive one could really be with them. I wholly expect to see a version of Xcode released on the iPad within the few years, though.
- brantonb 7y ago
  I use Blink[1] to Mosh to an EC2 instance where I use Jekyll, Vim, and Git to edit a static website that’s built and deployed when I push master. I can transfer images from my Photos library using the local shell, which I then resize on the VM. I’ve heard people speculating about “Xcode on iPad within a few years” since Swift Playgrounds was released. Hopefully it’s closer now, but I’m still skeptical. [1] https://blink.sh https://blink.sh
  - judge2020 7y ago
    On a similar note, I hope an iOS (/iPadOS) app is in the works for https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview

saagarjha 7y ago

iSH is not affected, since it currently only touches files inside of its sandbox.