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Criticism against Tesla is not rooting against Tesla. Playing options as a result of a CEO shooting his mouth off doesn't make you against the environment or a

Criticism against Tesla is not rooting against Tesla. Playing options as a result of a CEO shooting his mouth off doesn't make you against the environment or against green technology. In this case, it just makes you a realist. I'm an avid environmentalist. Elon Musk has lied so many times that I'm not rooting against him, I'm just afraid that his house of cards is going to come tumbling down and he will be another Solyndra where a good concept is ruined by a conman who has said that within a year you can make $30k/yr letting your tesla be a robotaxi and that in a year and three months there will be a million robotaxis on the road[0]. When criticism is valid, it's okay. We've seen Elon Musk lie about production time and time again. It's okay to distrust him. That's not "rooting against the environment." [0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/04/23/elon-musk-says-tesla-owners-could-make-30-000-robotaxi-network/3549652002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/04/23/elon-musk-say...

CriticalCathed 7y ago
Please list the lies and explain why they are lies.
- nopriorarrests 7y ago
  I don't know if it technically counts as a lie, but on 31st of January he told investors that he expects profitability in Q1 2019. Instead Tesla delivered 700M loss. Before that, in 2017, he told investors - "“What people should absolutely have zero concern about, and I mean 0, is that Tesla will achieve a 10,000 unit production week by the end of next year. […] I think people should really not have any concerns that we won’t reach that outcome from a production rate.” Guess what, we are well into 2019, and they are producing around 5-6K M3 per week. This is not how you run multi-billion company.
- sabertoothed 7y ago
  I am an Elon Musk supporter (if that makes any sense as a term) and shareholder in Tesla. But he lied when he said "funding secured" and when he accused the diving expert of being pedophile. That was unacceptable behaviour. And he deserves to be criticised for it. However, Elon Musk needs to be judged in shades of grey - not in black and white as it is so common.
  - pxue 7y ago
    Should have resulted more than slap on the wrist. this is text book case of fraud and exactly why we have government bodies and watchdogs making sure cases like these don't happen often.
    - sabertoothed 7y ago
      Even as a shareholder (and someone who may have suffered from the punishment for Elon Musk): I agree.
- Agustus 7y ago
  We will sell a model 3 for $35,000. That was 2016.
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jaimex2 7y ago
The tweet was refering to people who make it their life's mission to try and make Tesla fail like shabooshka, the guy literailly lived at the factory taking photos. Not people being critical or disagreeing with what they do.
- AndrewBissell 7y ago
  skabooshka observes the factory to document actual Tesla production numbers and prevent it from lying to the public. He may have also thrown a monkey wrench in some kind of "full self driving" fake demo by taking photos of the pilot car they were filming before their investor autonomy day. If Tesla wasn't lying about its numbers or engaging in some kind of shenanigans at the factory, then how could skabooshka taking pictures make it fail? Let's set aside Tesla's claims that he tries to hurt their employees since the Fremont police report already showed their account on that incident was very deceptive.
  - jaimex2 7y ago
    You can't with any sincerity believe that. A troll hanging day and night outside a factory parking lot posting absolute crap on twitter is not in any way useful to anyone. The guy was a nut case with some Moby dick like obsession. I can't find a single time where he was even remotely objective.

CriticalCathed 7y ago

Please list the lies and explain why they are lies.

nopriorarrests 7y ago
I don't know if it technically counts as a lie, but on 31st of January he told investors that he expects profitability in Q1 2019. Instead Tesla delivered 700M loss. Before that, in 2017, he told investors - "“What people should absolutely have zero concern about, and I mean 0, is that Tesla will achieve a 10,000 unit production week by the end of next year. […] I think people should really not have any concerns that we won’t reach that outcome from a production rate.” Guess what, we are well into 2019, and they are producing around 5-6K M3 per week. This is not how you run multi-billion company.
sabertoothed 7y ago
I am an Elon Musk supporter (if that makes any sense as a term) and shareholder in Tesla. But he lied when he said "funding secured" and when he accused the diving expert of being pedophile. That was unacceptable behaviour. And he deserves to be criticised for it. However, Elon Musk needs to be judged in shades of grey - not in black and white as it is so common.
- pxue 7y ago
  Should have resulted more than slap on the wrist. this is text book case of fraud and exactly why we have government bodies and watchdogs making sure cases like these don't happen often.
  - sabertoothed 7y ago
    Even as a shareholder (and someone who may have suffered from the punishment for Elon Musk): I agree.
Agustus 7y ago
We will sell a model 3 for $35,000. That was 2016.

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jaimex2 7y ago

The tweet was refering to people who make it their life's mission to try and make Tesla fail like shabooshka, the guy literailly lived at the factory taking photos. Not people being critical or disagreeing with what they do.

AndrewBissell 7y ago
skabooshka observes the factory to document actual Tesla production numbers and prevent it from lying to the public. He may have also thrown a monkey wrench in some kind of "full self driving" fake demo by taking photos of the pilot car they were filming before their investor autonomy day. If Tesla wasn't lying about its numbers or engaging in some kind of shenanigans at the factory, then how could skabooshka taking pictures make it fail? Let's set aside Tesla's claims that he tries to hurt their employees since the Fremont police report already showed their account on that incident was very deceptive.
- jaimex2 7y ago
  You can't with any sincerity believe that. A troll hanging day and night outside a factory parking lot posting absolute crap on twitter is not in any way useful to anyone. The guy was a nut case with some Moby dick like obsession. I can't find a single time where he was even remotely objective.