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The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-ra

The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x < 40.000EUR. Even taking the top end of that range, it seems the $:km ratio is in favour of the VW. If the First Edition battery is equal in size to the yet-to-be-released 58kWh battery, it seems the efficiency is at least comparable to the M3 as well. Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

adamvalve 7y ago
If the interior is anything like my Tiguan... I would greatly prefer my Model 3 any day. I don't think the ID3 is going to come with a premium interior... haven't seen any photos of it so I could be wrong.
- Shivetya 7y ago
  Some pictures captured of the Seat version of the ID.3 match up very well with glimpses of the ID.3 interior. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/100354/new-seat-el-born-concept-previews-all-electric-family-car-at-geneva https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/100354/new-seat-el-born-c...
  - ricardobeat 7y ago
    I hope this is not it. Looks cramped like an economy car, with the massive center console and fat door covers.
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  I might be mistaken, but it's a 20k euro price difference isn't it? I'd hope the Model 3 has at least a nicer interior to justify the cost.
  - vinay427 7y ago
    You may have missed the context in the comment they replied to. I don't believe anything in the comment you replied to contradicts what you said. > Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…
_ph_ 7y ago
Since shortly, also the short range+ model is available for 45k, so getting much closer to the VW price.
martythemaniak 7y ago
Looking at Tesla Germany, Standard Range Plus is 44.5k euros, which includes partial premium interior and autopilot. The SR+ Model 3 is price competitive with Kia/Hyundai, so I'm skeptical that VW will be able to pull some rabbit out of a hat and change that.
- gsnedders 7y ago
  Note there are Skoda and SEAT cars based on the same platform also coming soon, which are in many ways more obvious competitors for Kia/Hyundai. I would not expect the Volkswagen Group's VW product to be the low end of their pricing.
sabareesh 7y ago
I dont get people keep complaining about Tesla interior. I love the interior on my model 3 much better than any car I have been in. Can you list some of the things you dont like
- threeseed 7y ago
  Just need one. It looks and feels cheap. Very much similar to what you would get in a Hyundai or Mazda. Go spend some time in a new Audi, Mercedes, Range Rover and you will see the difference.
  - sabareesh 7y ago
    I guess you have not driven a Tesla yet. I would recommend experience Tesla for more than a day it just changes everything.
    - Fins 7y ago
      Unless it comes with Elon's Reality Distortion Generator(tm) these days, no, it doesn't. Unless your goal is getting an EV for the sake of getting an EV (Tesla's are certainly best here so far), thew only thing that spending more than a day in a Tesla changes is that I want to go kick Elon's behind even harder.
- nickbarnwell 7y ago
  Though much improved since the early days, both the 3 and the S have considerably worse fit and finish and material quality than competitively priced vehicles. Whether for weight, cost, or complexity savings, they also eschew a lot of sound deadening material. A $50,000 C class or A4 has a far nicer cabin than anything Tesla has produced, and when you start moving up into E or F segment vehicles the difference is even more pronounced. My 2010 B8 wagon with 115k on it has fewer creaks and rattles than a coworker's 2016 S with a third of that. Infotainment wise, I find Audi's Virtual Cockpit to be incredibly well done and quite like MMI as a whole. I've not used the latest BMW or MB product that's just been released recently, but both seem to be garnering quite good reviews.
shapiro92 7y ago
ehmm what? the 30k is for 330 km the 44k is for 420 km the XXk is for 550 km Model 3 comes at around 45k for the 550km and includes autopilot and an amazing interior.

adamvalve 7y ago

If the interior is anything like my Tiguan... I would greatly prefer my Model 3 any day. I don't think the ID3 is going to come with a premium interior... haven't seen any photos of it so I could be wrong.

Shivetya 7y ago
Some pictures captured of the Seat version of the ID.3 match up very well with glimpses of the ID.3 interior. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/100354/new-seat-el-born-concept-previews-all-electric-family-car-at-geneva https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/100354/new-seat-el-born-c...
- ricardobeat 7y ago
  I hope this is not it. Looks cramped like an economy car, with the massive center console and fat door covers.
ilikehurdles 7y ago
I might be mistaken, but it's a 20k euro price difference isn't it? I'd hope the Model 3 has at least a nicer interior to justify the cost.
- vinay427 7y ago
  You may have missed the context in the comment they replied to. I don't believe anything in the comment you replied to contradicts what you said. > Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

_ph_ 7y ago

Since shortly, also the short range+ model is available for 45k, so getting much closer to the VW price.

martythemaniak 7y ago

Looking at Tesla Germany, Standard Range Plus is 44.5k euros, which includes partial premium interior and autopilot. The SR+ Model 3 is price competitive with Kia/Hyundai, so I'm skeptical that VW will be able to pull some rabbit out of a hat and change that.

gsnedders 7y ago
Note there are Skoda and SEAT cars based on the same platform also coming soon, which are in many ways more obvious competitors for Kia/Hyundai. I would not expect the Volkswagen Group's VW product to be the low end of their pricing.

sabareesh 7y ago

I dont get people keep complaining about Tesla interior. I love the interior on my model 3 much better than any car I have been in. Can you list some of the things you dont like

threeseed 7y ago
Just need one. It looks and feels cheap. Very much similar to what you would get in a Hyundai or Mazda. Go spend some time in a new Audi, Mercedes, Range Rover and you will see the difference.
- sabareesh 7y ago
  I guess you have not driven a Tesla yet. I would recommend experience Tesla for more than a day it just changes everything.
  - Fins 7y ago
    Unless it comes with Elon's Reality Distortion Generator(tm) these days, no, it doesn't. Unless your goal is getting an EV for the sake of getting an EV (Tesla's are certainly best here so far), thew only thing that spending more than a day in a Tesla changes is that I want to go kick Elon's behind even harder.
nickbarnwell 7y ago
Though much improved since the early days, both the 3 and the S have considerably worse fit and finish and material quality than competitively priced vehicles. Whether for weight, cost, or complexity savings, they also eschew a lot of sound deadening material. A $50,000 C class or A4 has a far nicer cabin than anything Tesla has produced, and when you start moving up into E or F segment vehicles the difference is even more pronounced. My 2010 B8 wagon with 115k on it has fewer creaks and rattles than a coworker's 2016 S with a third of that. Infotainment wise, I find Audi's Virtual Cockpit to be incredibly well done and quite like MMI as a whole. I've not used the latest BMW or MB product that's just been released recently, but both seem to be garnering quite good reviews.

shapiro92 7y ago

ehmm what? the 30k is for 330 km the 44k is for 420 km the XXk is for 550 km Model 3 comes at around 45k for the 550km and includes autopilot and an amazing interior.