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+1. I recall thinking it was a text editor with inferior key bindings to vim, and with a bunch of unnecessary weirdness. I'm glad I took the time to investigat

+1. I recall thinking it was a text editor with inferior key bindings to vim, and with a bunch of unnecessary weirdness. I'm glad I took the time to investigate this discoverable interactive programmatic keyboard-oriented UI platform, that also happens to have a great editor (evil). A uniquely empowering tool for programmers.

mrspeaker 7y ago
I've gone all in, I'm in for life. Emacs has already deprecated at least a dozen apps, web apps, and websites I used to frequent. I'm starting to despise any other software... ...so when does someone teach me the secret handshake?
- oska 7y ago
  Mind sharing some examples of what Emacs has deprecated for you?
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Not OP, but: e-mail client, calculator, calendar app, TODO list app, terminal app, file browsing app, invoicing app, Jupyer notebooks (org mode can do you better), Git client and - obviously - text editor with syntax highlighting. Some people even replace their window manager with Emacs (see: EXWM), but I'm not ready for this just yet (I run stumpwm now, which is a tiling WM written in Common Lisp, so it's just another lispy environment with similar levels of live interop).
    - mkl 7y ago
      > Jupyter notebooks (org mode can do you better) That seems pretty far-fetched. Very few of the things I use Jupyter notebooks for seem possible in org mode.
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        I'll bite. Name some things you believe are impossible. You may very well be right, but myself I yet haven't found a thing for which I wouldn't prefer Org Mode (except maybe that Github renders .ipynb files nicer than .org). Org Mode can execute blocks of code in any language you can hook up to Emacs, correctly handling sessions if language supports them. Org Mode document itself can serve as a glue for exchanging data between different runtimes if you're using multiple different languages in a single document. Literate programming capabilities let you include other source blocks or even their results as code. Emacs can display images inline, and has some capability for UI widgets (though I haven't use it in org-mode context). The kind of Jupyter notebooks I've seen in the wild, I can reproduce in Org Mode with ease.
        mkl 7y ago
        Well, according to my understanding, here are some things I do with Jupyter notebooks that org mode can't match: Dozens of inline interactive plots, including animations, 3d displays, generated SVG, embedded Javascript animations with widgets controlling them, proper formula formatting in code output and prose, etc. Things I have begun work towards include inline display of generated PDFs, and inline drawing widgets (including stylus pressure) that provide data for further computation and 3d display. Simply not being browser-based means org mode has an incredibly steep uphill battle to even get close - the ecosystems Jupyter can tap into are vast (browser and native, language agnostic), and anything interactive is almost certain to trail behind. I'm happy to be corrected, but I spent a while researching org mode's capabilities in this area earlier, and everything I found looked more primitive and clunky than what Python and Sage could do as long as 10 years ago.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        I concede the point. I'm not aware how one could embed a webview in Emacs buffer, and without this you won't get animated/interactive plots. My experience with Jupyter was limited to static plots so far (I did plenty of interactive work in ObservableHQ though), and Emacs can handle those well. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
    - aerique 7y ago
      EXWM is good fun. At the moment I'm using it on most of my machines but i3, StumpWM and EXWM are pretty interchangeable for me.
- geekone 7y ago
  Mind sharing your config? :)
- chombier 7y ago
  M-x secret-handshake
agumonkey 7y ago
have a go at the Pharo MOOC, pharo is a smalltalk descendant, it's an emacs like experience but even more regular

mrspeaker 7y ago

I've gone all in, I'm in for life. Emacs has already deprecated at least a dozen apps, web apps, and websites I used to frequent. I'm starting to despise any other software... ...so when does someone teach me the secret handshake?

oska 7y ago
Mind sharing some examples of what Emacs has deprecated for you?
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  Not OP, but: e-mail client, calculator, calendar app, TODO list app, terminal app, file browsing app, invoicing app, Jupyer notebooks (org mode can do you better), Git client and - obviously - text editor with syntax highlighting. Some people even replace their window manager with Emacs (see: EXWM), but I'm not ready for this just yet (I run stumpwm now, which is a tiling WM written in Common Lisp, so it's just another lispy environment with similar levels of live interop).
  - mkl 7y ago
    > Jupyter notebooks (org mode can do you better) That seems pretty far-fetched. Very few of the things I use Jupyter notebooks for seem possible in org mode.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      I'll bite. Name some things you believe are impossible. You may very well be right, but myself I yet haven't found a thing for which I wouldn't prefer Org Mode (except maybe that Github renders .ipynb files nicer than .org). Org Mode can execute blocks of code in any language you can hook up to Emacs, correctly handling sessions if language supports them. Org Mode document itself can serve as a glue for exchanging data between different runtimes if you're using multiple different languages in a single document. Literate programming capabilities let you include other source blocks or even their results as code. Emacs can display images inline, and has some capability for UI widgets (though I haven't use it in org-mode context). The kind of Jupyter notebooks I've seen in the wild, I can reproduce in Org Mode with ease.
      - mkl 7y ago
        Well, according to my understanding, here are some things I do with Jupyter notebooks that org mode can't match: Dozens of inline interactive plots, including animations, 3d displays, generated SVG, embedded Javascript animations with widgets controlling them, proper formula formatting in code output and prose, etc. Things I have begun work towards include inline display of generated PDFs, and inline drawing widgets (including stylus pressure) that provide data for further computation and 3d display. Simply not being browser-based means org mode has an incredibly steep uphill battle to even get close - the ecosystems Jupyter can tap into are vast (browser and native, language agnostic), and anything interactive is almost certain to trail behind. I'm happy to be corrected, but I spent a while researching org mode's capabilities in this area earlier, and everything I found looked more primitive and clunky than what Python and Sage could do as long as 10 years ago.
        TeMPOraL 7y ago
        I concede the point. I'm not aware how one could embed a webview in Emacs buffer, and without this you won't get animated/interactive plots. My experience with Jupyter was limited to static plots so far (I did plenty of interactive work in ObservableHQ though), and Emacs can handle those well. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
  - aerique 7y ago
    EXWM is good fun. At the moment I'm using it on most of my machines but i3, StumpWM and EXWM are pretty interchangeable for me.
geekone 7y ago
Mind sharing your config? :)
chombier 7y ago
M-x secret-handshake

agumonkey 7y ago

have a go at the Pharo MOOC, pharo is a smalltalk descendant, it's an emacs like experience but even more regular