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Not a fan of the predatory "Sign up for a 7 day free trial, and if you forget to cancel we'll bill you $60 for the year membership" system. It's also a week tri

Not a fan of the predatory "Sign up for a 7 day free trial, and if you forget to cancel we'll bill you $60 for the year membership" system. It's also a week trial, but the AI takes 8 workouts to learn -- not great for a comprehensive demo at all.

jakemor 7y ago
Sorry! message me in app I'll give you a free month (stands for anyone from HN)
- komali2 7y ago
  Ok cool but... Why not just not do that? Is the one month of revenue from people who forget to cancel, then cancel and are pissed about it, Worth it?
  - jakemor 7y ago
    Not really — since I'm spending money on ads on day 1 I need to make the money back ASAP to reinvest in ads. Since traffic from HN is essentially free I have no problem with an extended trial period :)
    - komali2 7y ago
      Wait, now I'm confused - to clarify, I'm asking, "is it worth it to engage in shadow marketing (a free trial that converts automatically to a paid one)" and you've answered "not really." As in, "it's not worth it to do this." But you're doing it anyway?
    - jakemor 7y ago
      Sorry! I'm trying to keep up with all the comments and have been responding hastily. It's fair game in my book to use the tools Apple provides us as developers to monetize our apps. Other apps offering subscriptions do so in the same way... it's why Apple provides us the ability to even offer free trials. I'm sorry you disagree, but this is common business practice.
      - ken 7y ago
        I will be the first to admit that I am not a businessperson, but I would predict you're not going to make many friends here standing on "the rules allow us to do this" and "everybody else does it". That's the weakest possible defense, and shows you're not really hearing why people "are pissed about it".
        zenlot 7y ago
        At least he is answering honestly. And everyone seems to dislike honest answers. Looks like people only want to hear some lies wrapped in nice promises, which would never materialize. edit: typo
        komali2 7y ago
        Sure, honesty is a good value, which is why it's disappointing to hear that they'll be honest to us about their dishonesty to their customers.
- nerbert 7y ago
  I don't think it's really the point made there.
- deleted 7y ago
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- throwaway2019X 7y ago
  Message you.. in app... In the same app that he's reluctant to sign up for in the first place because of the predatory trial.
starpilot 7y ago
At least with iOS, you can cancel the trial immediately after signup, and your account is still active until trial period ends.

jakemor 7y ago

Sorry! message me in app I'll give you a free month (stands for anyone from HN)

komali2 7y ago
Ok cool but... Why not just not do that? Is the one month of revenue from people who forget to cancel, then cancel and are pissed about it, Worth it?
- jakemor 7y ago
  Not really — since I'm spending money on ads on day 1 I need to make the money back ASAP to reinvest in ads. Since traffic from HN is essentially free I have no problem with an extended trial period :)
  - komali2 7y ago
    Wait, now I'm confused - to clarify, I'm asking, "is it worth it to engage in shadow marketing (a free trial that converts automatically to a paid one)" and you've answered "not really." As in, "it's not worth it to do this." But you're doing it anyway?
  - jakemor 7y ago
    Sorry! I'm trying to keep up with all the comments and have been responding hastily. It's fair game in my book to use the tools Apple provides us as developers to monetize our apps. Other apps offering subscriptions do so in the same way... it's why Apple provides us the ability to even offer free trials. I'm sorry you disagree, but this is common business practice.
    - ken 7y ago
      I will be the first to admit that I am not a businessperson, but I would predict you're not going to make many friends here standing on "the rules allow us to do this" and "everybody else does it". That's the weakest possible defense, and shows you're not really hearing why people "are pissed about it".
      - zenlot 7y ago
        At least he is answering honestly. And everyone seems to dislike honest answers. Looks like people only want to hear some lies wrapped in nice promises, which would never materialize. edit: typo
        komali2 7y ago
        Sure, honesty is a good value, which is why it's disappointing to hear that they'll be honest to us about their dishonesty to their customers.
nerbert 7y ago
I don't think it's really the point made there.
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throwaway2019X 7y ago
Message you.. in app... In the same app that he's reluctant to sign up for in the first place because of the predatory trial.

starpilot 7y ago

At least with iOS, you can cancel the trial immediately after signup, and your account is still active until trial period ends.