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Wikileaks has leaked 10 some-odd documents on Australia, so I don't expect them to go to bat for him. The problem with being a uniform thorn in everybody's sid

Wikileaks has leaked 10 some-odd documents on Australia, so I don't expect them to go to bat for him. The problem with being a uniform thorn in everybody's side is you run out of friends.

threeseed 7y ago
Assange is anything but a uniform thorn. He has continually supported and looked out for Russian interests. If he wasn't biased there would be a lot more public support for him.
- papermill 7y ago
  Assange is a russian stooge. Trump is a russian stooge. And yet Trump wants Assange crushed. How do people like you reconcile the inherent contradiction of your own argument? Are you angling for a job at CNN? The "russian stooge" propaganda has been so overused that it has lost any relevance.
  - dd36 7y ago
    Where did he mention Trump?
- ionised 7y ago
  Stop spreading lies. Wikileaks has leaked plenty of shit on Russia too.
  - qnsi 7y ago
    https://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14179240/wikileaks-russia-ties https://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14179240/wikileaks-russia... What would you say about this article? I have Little knowledge about Assange
    - robdachshund 7y ago
      Vox is not a reliable source for information and has a clear bias. They were pushing pro Clinton articles left and right while lying about Sanders' tax plan.
    - ionised 7y ago
      I was actually intending to reply to somebody else (or the parent post has been edited since I posted my reply) that stated Assange and Wikileaks only ever released stuff about the west and its allies. My accusation of lies was about that, because there have been leaks of all manner of countries (Russia included) through Wikileaks. As for that article, I have no idea whether Assange is a Russian operative now, or has been in the past. There are interesting links, for sure, and after the threats of drone strike and execution from various US government officials I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to hurt the US. So I don't know if he is or isn't. He may very well be. As I said above though, my initial accusation was intended for another poster that (falsely) claimed Wikileaks never leaked anything about Russia.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  You're basing this on what? St. Mueller has finished his investigation, and precisely no one will be going to prison for "Russian election meddling". If they didn't do this horrible thing (that is entirely protected by 1A), then how could anyone have helped them do this horrible thing?
  - fixermark 7y ago
    First Amendment protections are not extended to non-US citizens.
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      "Congress shall make no law..." Simple people imagine that "freedom of speech" is primarily good for the speaker. In fact, it's good for everyone in USA to know true facts about their politicians, no matter who publicizes those facts.
    - gspetr 7y ago
      Empirical evidence suggests this is not the case: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/30/does-the-constitution-protect-non-citizens-judges-say-yes/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/30/does-th...
    - AlexCoventry 7y ago
      > Noncitizens undeniably have a wide range of rights under the Constitution. Indeed, within the borders of the United States, they have most of the same rights as citizens do, and longstanding Supreme Court precedent bans most state laws discriminating against noncitizens. There is little if any serious controversy among experts over this matter. https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights-of-noncitizens/ https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights...
  - dd36 7y ago
    Ummmm Mueller indicted many Russian nationals.
- JamisonM 7y ago
  Wikileaks declining to publish this at a critical moment in time does seem telling. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-leaks-on-russian-government-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l...

Wikileaks has leaked 10 some-odd documents on Australia, so I don't expect them to go to bat for him. The problem with being a uniform thorn in everybody's side is you run out of friends.

threeseed 7y ago

Assange is anything but a uniform thorn. He has continually supported and looked out for Russian interests. If he wasn't biased there would be a lot more public support for him.

papermill 7y ago
Assange is a russian stooge. Trump is a russian stooge. And yet Trump wants Assange crushed. How do people like you reconcile the inherent contradiction of your own argument? Are you angling for a job at CNN? The "russian stooge" propaganda has been so overused that it has lost any relevance.
- dd36 7y ago
  Where did he mention Trump?
ionised 7y ago
Stop spreading lies. Wikileaks has leaked plenty of shit on Russia too.
- qnsi 7y ago
  https://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14179240/wikileaks-russia-ties https://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14179240/wikileaks-russia... What would you say about this article? I have Little knowledge about Assange
  - robdachshund 7y ago
    Vox is not a reliable source for information and has a clear bias. They were pushing pro Clinton articles left and right while lying about Sanders' tax plan.
  - ionised 7y ago
    I was actually intending to reply to somebody else (or the parent post has been edited since I posted my reply) that stated Assange and Wikileaks only ever released stuff about the west and its allies. My accusation of lies was about that, because there have been leaks of all manner of countries (Russia included) through Wikileaks. As for that article, I have no idea whether Assange is a Russian operative now, or has been in the past. There are interesting links, for sure, and after the threats of drone strike and execution from various US government officials I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to hurt the US. So I don't know if he is or isn't. He may very well be. As I said above though, my initial accusation was intended for another poster that (falsely) claimed Wikileaks never leaked anything about Russia.
jessaustin 7y ago
You're basing this on what? St. Mueller has finished his investigation, and precisely no one will be going to prison for "Russian election meddling". If they didn't do this horrible thing (that is entirely protected by 1A), then how could anyone have helped them do this horrible thing?
- fixermark 7y ago
  First Amendment protections are not extended to non-US citizens.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    "Congress shall make no law..." Simple people imagine that "freedom of speech" is primarily good for the speaker. In fact, it's good for everyone in USA to know true facts about their politicians, no matter who publicizes those facts.
  - gspetr 7y ago
    Empirical evidence suggests this is not the case: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/30/does-the-constitution-protect-non-citizens-judges-say-yes/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/30/does-th...
  - AlexCoventry 7y ago
    > Noncitizens undeniably have a wide range of rights under the Constitution. Indeed, within the borders of the United States, they have most of the same rights as citizens do, and longstanding Supreme Court precedent bans most state laws discriminating against noncitizens. There is little if any serious controversy among experts over this matter. https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights-of-noncitizens/ https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights...
- dd36 7y ago
  Ummmm Mueller indicted many Russian nationals.
JamisonM 7y ago
Wikileaks declining to publish this at a critical moment in time does seem telling. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-leaks-on-russian-government-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l...