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Many of those depend on all of your neighbours doing the same thing. They won't, so you'll be the loser. I don't want to be the loser.
by fxbl0i 7y ago
Many of those depend on all of your neighbours doing the same thing. They won't, so you'll be the loser. I don't want to be the loser.
- deweller 7y agoThis is a great example of a prisoner's dilemma problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
- the-dude 7y agoOr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons ?
- gpuhacker 7y agoMore a tragedy of the commons. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
- throw0101a 7y agoPeople may want to look at the "Criticism" section of that article, as the commons wasn't as big of a tragedy as people think it was when Garrett Hardin popularized the notion: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons#Critici... Garrett Hardin was a (neo)Malthusian: >Hardin blamed the welfare state for allowing the tragedy of the commons; where the state provides for children and supports over-breeding as a fundamental human right, Malthusian catastrophe is inevitable. Hardin stated in his analysis of the tragedy of the commons that "Freedom in a commons brings ruin to all."[1]:1244 Environmental historians Joachim Radkau, Alfred Thomas Grove and Oliver Rackham criticized Hardin "as an American with no notion at all how Commons actually work".[8] >In addition, Hardin's pessimistic outlook was subsequently contradicted by Elinor Ostrom's later work on success of co-operative structures like the management of common land,[9] for which she shared the 2009 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences with Oliver E. Williamson. In contrast to Hardin, they stated neither commons or "Allmende" in the generic nor classical meaning are bound to fail; to the contrary "the wealth of the commons" has gained renewed interest in the scientific community.[10] Hardin's work was also criticized[11] as historically inaccurate in failing to account for the demographic transition, and for failing to distinguish between common property and open access resources.[12][13] >Despite the criticisms, the theory has nonetheless been influential.[14] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Hardin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Hardin
- _Microft 7y agoThe meaning of commons is here as described in the last sentence of the first paragraph: In this modern economic context, commons is taken to mean any shared and unregulated resource such as atmosphere, oceans, rivers, fish stocks, roads and highways, or even an office refrigerator. ...or WiFi spectrum.
- kstenerud 7y agoHardin was concerned primarily with overpopulation and the welfare state. His intention was to demonstrate that the welfare state contributes to overpopulation, which will doom us all. The more general concept of "tragedy of the commons" outgrew his incorrect assumption, and so his original theory and its criticisms are of little consequence outside of a historical curiosity.
- FabHK 7y agoAren't they structurally the same, just that one is with 2 players, while the other is with N players?
- chapium 7y agoThe commons typically concerns a shared public resource. PD normally concerns a decision that affects 2 players in a direct and immediate way. In PD both parties see every outcome as an immediate consequence of their decision.
- kiallmacinnes 7y agoYou're right in that, your neighbours likely won't do the same thing... But you loose nothing by turning the AP power down to a level that covers the necessary area... In a sense, it's lose-lose, but you can choose the higher ground... All that said - if you have multiple APs, then you absolutely want to tune the power levels, or you're only making yourself a looser!
- jrs235 7y ago*Loser not looser, lose not loose. Lose/loser is to not winning as loose/looser is to not tight. This mistake is prevalent even among HNers. Sorry for being pedantic.
- enobrev 7y agoI've noticed this one quite a bit recently on HN and reddit. I'm seeing it far more often than "they're, there, and their" and "your and you're" mistakes, to the point where I wondered if it were something localized (like color / colour or aluminum / aluminium).
- lukecameron 7y agoOne that I've noticed everywhere throughout the tech community is "it's" instead of "its". It seems unrelated to whether the article author is from a majority-English speaking country. And I see it on the blogs of companies big enough that I would assume proof read all of their posts. It sticks out like a sore thumb to me because my brain reads it as "it is", which does not fit.
- enobrev 7y agoI've also learned to read contractions in their extracted form in order to help me when editing. It's a similar trick to remembering spelling versions of every word, like "Wed-nes-day", or "Col-o-nel". Sometimes I think it's more bothersome than it's worth. I could really use my own environment variables for `IGNORE_GRAMMAR` and `IGNORE_SPELLING`.
- bluGill 7y agoIf you have two access points though it helps you.
- FabHK 7y ago1. The author goes to great length to explain that there is basically no downside, only upside to it. 2. The correct answer in the Prisoner's Dilemma is to cooperate, in my opinion.
- greycol 7y agoI love this[1] website which illustrates some of the nuances of the prisoners dilemma in a quite frankly great way. In fact I've deleted the rest of my post as I believe the website does a much better job of explaining how the correct answer to the prisoners dilemma changes depending on how the population behaves and how often they make mistakes. [1] https://ncase.me/trust/ https://ncase.me/trust/
- Baeocystin 7y agoThat is a really neat site. Thanks for sharing it.
- andai 7y agoI've seen some videos of people blocking wifi signals (both ways) with a cheap metal mesh. If you don't own the place you can put it on the inside. Only real issue is the image: it's like a tinfoil hat for your house! But you could put something more aesthetic over it again :) eg. embedding it in the wallpaper.
- snarf21 7y agoExactly, and they all have the crappy Comcast combo which advertises the extra XFINITY AP that I don't think you can turn off. As a Comcast customer, I have NEVER been able to connect to that and get data. 2.4 ghz is a sh!tshow and everyone is just spamming it with more and more noise.
- organsnyder 7y agoI've actually had pretty decent luck getting connectivity on the Xfinity networks. If my phone was better at quick handoffs between wifi and LTE while moving, it would be quite helpful in lowering my mobile data usage.
- ac29 7y agoYou can get it turned off by contacting customer service.
- baking 7y agoDon't pay the $10 monthly fee to rent a Comcast cable modem and instead buy your own cable modem and router for $110. Side benefit: no extraneous Xfinity AP clogging up your precious wifi bandwidth.
- snarf21 7y agoYeah, I don't but literally all the neighbors do.
- maeln 7y agoIn a residential building with no central authority on how AP are distributed, it seems to be a impossible task. I don't see myself explaining this kind of technical stuff to my neighbors and going door by door configuring each of their AP. But this is a very good reminder for people who set up wireless network at events, schools, ... My school had huge thick concrete wall that basically killed any Wi-Fi signal. But for some reason, instead of having more cheap AP distributed more evenly, the guys handling it insisted on putting 1-2 big expensive AP in each building, which meant that the Wi-Fi was unusable in most of the classroom. Not really cleaver when most of your classes require you to be connected to the internet.
- linsomniac 7y agoLess an issue with 5 GHz, because drywall does a fairly effective job of blocking signal. Not entirely, but quite a lot. Which is why I have 4 mesh APs in our 1700 sqft house: One in each of the rooms where we use wireless most, and one in the middle. We went from having spotty Internet to it being really solid. I think we have some neighbors that have devices that interfere with 2.4G (cordless phone? Microwave? Baby monitor?)