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Conversion therapy does hurt people.

umvi 8y ago
Not if it's voluntary and desired by the person undergoing conversion. Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children. It's one thing if it's a parent forcing their child to undergo conversion therapy. But I don't see anything wrong with an adult who has an unwanted sexual attraction trying conversion therapy.
- lol768 8y ago
  >Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children I'm not sure this is a helpful comparison to draw.
  - jpkiser 8y ago
    Why not? Being straight takes on the form of having a sexual desire to the opportunity sex. Being gay takes on the form of have sexual desires for the same sex. Why should pedophilia, or zoophilia, or any other the other niche sexual attractions be treated differently?
- duxup 8y ago
  >Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children. What does that have to do with conversion therapy? Are you connecting homosexuality to pedophilia?
  - dunkmaster 8y ago
    They are both innate sexual preferences. However I disagree with the original statement because there is indeed no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction.
- Pfhreak 8y ago
  > Not if it's voluntary and desired by the person undergoing conversion Citation needed. LGBT+ people who seek conversion therapy can still be hurt by it. > Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children Bringing up pedophelia in the context of LGBT+ people has a long history of being used to other and shame LGBT+ people. I'd encourage you to find a different example (or just stay on topic -- conversion therapy for LGBT+ people.)
  - umvi 8y ago
    Let me break it down: An adult has a sexual attraction that they didn't choose to have and that they don't want to have. Are they stuck for life? Or is it possible some form of therapy could help?
    - dimensi0nal 8y ago
      1. Yes. 2. No.
  - zzzcpan 8y ago
    > LGBT+ people who seek conversion therapy can still be hurt by it. How exactly? And what about other people who seek "conversion therapy"? An app is not a military, where you can literally sign away basic rights to not be hurt and abused.
    - Pfhreak 8y ago
      > How exactly [can LGBT+ people be hurt by conversion therapy]? Great question. I'm going to assume this is being asked in good faith. If someone feels attraction to same sex people, and they are told by important people in their lives that this is shameful, they can internalize that shame. This can lead to thoughts like, "I feel bad about who I am", "I am disgusted by who I am", "Why can't I escape these feelings about who I am?!", "No one will ever love me if I am like this.", "I have to stop these feelings or I'll be evicted from my community.", etc. Constant internal monologues like this can create stress, anxiety, and depression. Adding a religious element can increase these feelings. If someone is spending a significant amount of time wondering, "Am I going to be eternally punished if I can't shake these feelings?" I can imagine that could cause serious, significant, and lasting anxiety. Conversion therapy, in my understanding, reinforces these feelings. Telling someone, "yes, it is shameful to feel this way. Yes, you are at risk of eternal damnation if you act on these feelings." It's important to differentiate between Conversion Therapy and Therapy. Shame, anxiety, depression, and stress like this lead to all sorts of negative health outcomes -- depressed immune systems, negative social outcomes, self-harm, suicide, etc. It's important to understand that I'm asserting just that this can cause harm. Not that it will always cause harm. I'm specifically pushing back on the idea that if Conversion Therapy doesn't involve physical abuse, it therefore cannot cause harm.
- fetus8 8y ago
  Pedophilia != LGBT identities If someone is truly trying to rid themselves of an attraction to children, they should probably be in therapy.
  - dunkmaster 8y ago
    Yes, they should be in therapy for wanting to rid themselves of their attraction. Any sane pedophile would know that's not possible.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    It is hard to see how your logic would not also apply to people who wish to rid themselves of homosexual attractions, or even heterosexual ones for that matter. But the data is pretty clear that "conversion therapy" doesn't work and causes harm. Applying it to pedophiles won't change that.
0wnt_U_B 8y ago
Not if the person wants to be converted (been there done that). So you burning books (or software) only hurts thousands of people like me, and makes you intolerant of diversity.
lizardskull 8y ago
The knob hill glory holes hurt people

umvi 8y ago

Not if it's voluntary and desired by the person undergoing conversion. Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children. It's one thing if it's a parent forcing their child to undergo conversion therapy. But I don't see anything wrong with an adult who has an unwanted sexual attraction trying conversion therapy.

lol768 8y ago
>Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children I'm not sure this is a helpful comparison to draw.
- jpkiser 8y ago
  Why not? Being straight takes on the form of having a sexual desire to the opportunity sex. Being gay takes on the form of have sexual desires for the same sex. Why should pedophilia, or zoophilia, or any other the other niche sexual attractions be treated differently?
duxup 8y ago
>Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children. What does that have to do with conversion therapy? Are you connecting homosexuality to pedophilia?
- dunkmaster 8y ago
  They are both innate sexual preferences. However I disagree with the original statement because there is indeed no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction.
Pfhreak 8y ago
> Not if it's voluntary and desired by the person undergoing conversion Citation needed. LGBT+ people who seek conversion therapy can still be hurt by it. > Otherwise there is no hope for pedophiles wishing to rid themselves of their attraction to children Bringing up pedophelia in the context of LGBT+ people has a long history of being used to other and shame LGBT+ people. I'd encourage you to find a different example (or just stay on topic -- conversion therapy for LGBT+ people.)
- umvi 8y ago
  Let me break it down: An adult has a sexual attraction that they didn't choose to have and that they don't want to have. Are they stuck for life? Or is it possible some form of therapy could help?
  - dimensi0nal 8y ago
    1. Yes. 2. No.
- zzzcpan 8y ago
  > LGBT+ people who seek conversion therapy can still be hurt by it. How exactly? And what about other people who seek "conversion therapy"? An app is not a military, where you can literally sign away basic rights to not be hurt and abused.
  - Pfhreak 8y ago
    > How exactly [can LGBT+ people be hurt by conversion therapy]? Great question. I'm going to assume this is being asked in good faith. If someone feels attraction to same sex people, and they are told by important people in their lives that this is shameful, they can internalize that shame. This can lead to thoughts like, "I feel bad about who I am", "I am disgusted by who I am", "Why can't I escape these feelings about who I am?!", "No one will ever love me if I am like this.", "I have to stop these feelings or I'll be evicted from my community.", etc. Constant internal monologues like this can create stress, anxiety, and depression. Adding a religious element can increase these feelings. If someone is spending a significant amount of time wondering, "Am I going to be eternally punished if I can't shake these feelings?" I can imagine that could cause serious, significant, and lasting anxiety. Conversion therapy, in my understanding, reinforces these feelings. Telling someone, "yes, it is shameful to feel this way. Yes, you are at risk of eternal damnation if you act on these feelings." It's important to differentiate between Conversion Therapy and Therapy. Shame, anxiety, depression, and stress like this lead to all sorts of negative health outcomes -- depressed immune systems, negative social outcomes, self-harm, suicide, etc. It's important to understand that I'm asserting just that this can cause harm. Not that it will always cause harm. I'm specifically pushing back on the idea that if Conversion Therapy doesn't involve physical abuse, it therefore cannot cause harm.
fetus8 8y ago
Pedophilia != LGBT identities If someone is truly trying to rid themselves of an attraction to children, they should probably be in therapy.
- dunkmaster 8y ago
  Yes, they should be in therapy for wanting to rid themselves of their attraction. Any sane pedophile would know that's not possible.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  It is hard to see how your logic would not also apply to people who wish to rid themselves of homosexual attractions, or even heterosexual ones for that matter. But the data is pretty clear that "conversion therapy" doesn't work and causes harm. Applying it to pedophiles won't change that.

0wnt_U_B 8y ago

Not if the person wants to be converted (been there done that). So you burning books (or software) only hurts thousands of people like me, and makes you intolerant of diversity.

lizardskull 8y ago

The knob hill glory holes hurt people