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This brings a smile to my face. I don't care anymore what excuses people come up for Facebook's behavior. Enough is enough and Facebook has crossed the line yea

by uzero 8y ago

This brings a smile to my face. I don't care anymore what excuses people come up for Facebook's behavior. Enough is enough and Facebook has crossed the line years ago. No remorse, no forgiveness.

circa 8y ago
could not agree more!
warp_factor 8y ago
fully agree. Even though I'm not fully onboard with Apple's huge power over their phones, in this specific case the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
- velobro 8y ago
  I am. I'd suggest getting a Pixel or other Android device if Apple's privacy stance bothers you. They will act on behalf of the consumer, regardless if you feel like "but it's my phone!". Yes, it's your phone. But not your app store. You can use your iPhone perfectly well without ever having opened the app store.
  - pacala 8y ago
    Android is spyware, with a slightly more humane face. Not touching it with a 10 foot pole.
- wyldfire 8y ago
  I just hope they haven't awoken a sleeping giant. Facebook has enormous capital and engineering capacity. If they decided to have their own app store and/or phone ecosystem, their brand might position them as a viable competitor to Google or Apple. But would we be better off for it?
  - barkingcat 8y ago
    They already tried their own phone ecosystem. I'm not saying that they shouldn't/can't try again, but it seems like Facebook's hubris is their worst enemy.
    - blattimwind 8y ago
      "We have invented something no one else has thought of. A small personal computerised device. Now you're able to stay docked twenty-four seven. On the bus. You can dock. On the subway. Stay docked. You can be docked in at home, and at the same time, you're docking with some kids at the public pool. We went to the guys at Fruit Computers and we told them we wanted to make our hardware as compatible as possible... Now you can dock your Lifeinvader to an iFruit or any other device, and it'll take all the data off and reformat it into Lifeinvader-friendly information. (2013)
    - wyldfire 8y ago
      Oh wow, you're right. I'd forgotten. Well, that's a relief -- having already failed is a big disincentive to them doing it again.
mrtksn 8y ago
I am pessimistic on the issue because people prefer to pay indirectly because it feels like it's free and everybody likes free. The business model of FB and Google deviates from Apple in a major way, with Apple you give the money and get the service. With Google and FB, you get the service and the cost is added to the stuff you buy. It's not necessarily even a price increase, maybe it's just directing the money from the billboard owners to the technologists. I don't see how FB or Google can lose unless someone in power(like a politician or an activist businessman) makes it stop despite the popular opinion. The fight between advertisers is vicious and FB doesn't look like afraid of getting its hands dirty. For someone somewhere "evil" Apple screwed up their entertainment on that FB app which just gives away free stuff and even pays you to use their VPN.
- ProAm 8y ago
  > with Apple you give the money and get the service I mostly agree but to be fair with Apple you rent the service. They dictate what you are allowed to install on your phone, only after they deem it suitable.
  - mrtksn 8y ago
    It would cost you billions of dollar to buy the service, that's why you rent it. You can buy the hardware though. Apple doesn't dictate what you can install on your phone, you can install whatever you want using the developer tools. What Apple dictates is what people can distribute on their App Store.
    - chappi42 8y ago
      > What Apple dictates is what people can distribute on their App Store. That's the unfortunate status quo. But it would absolutely be possible to legislate Apple (and Google Play Services - grey area) to allow 3rd party stores/apps.
      - rootusrootus 8y ago
        There's no gray area there, Google Play Services is just as much of a lock as the Apple App Store.
throwaway98121 8y ago
I disagree. What is “line” you referred to and who gets to define it? No one forced you to use Facebook. Look, I don’t use FB, and I don’t particular respect Mark or Sheryl, but the daily barrage of anti tech posts crapping on FB, Apple, or Amazon are turning this place into armchairs experts and politicians all pretending to be on some moral high ground when their own employers are likely just as greed driven. We need comprehensive regulation IMO. What that should look like, I’m not qualified to say. Regardless, it’s sad to see hacker news morph into Reddit.
- lovich 8y ago
  I don't use Facebook either and yet they still collect data on me. Its the same issue that happened with Experian leaking data on people who never did business with Experian. I'd be comfortable calling that a line that got crossed
  - cmsj 8y ago
    Well said, we have to get past this "well you have a choice" nonsense. Data is too easily acquired and cross-referenced for that to be remotely true anymore.
  - throwaway98121 8y ago
    I wouldn’t. That line doesn’t exist, at least in the laws of the legal system. It might cross your own moral boundary, but that’s intrinsic to you and subjective at best. I’m not defending them as a company. I do think the rest of the media is just as horrible and would seize a similar opportunity if given the chance. We are in dire need of regulation here.
    - kodablah 8y ago
      > We are in dire need of regulation here. In many cases internet regulation, especially the sort that would curb data misuse, is a scarier line to cross.
    - enraged_camel 8y ago

by uzero 8y ago

This brings a smile to my face. I don't care anymore what excuses people come up for Facebook's behavior. Enough is enough and Facebook has crossed the line years ago. No remorse, no forgiveness.

circa 8y ago

could not agree more!

warp_factor 8y ago

fully agree. Even though I'm not fully onboard with Apple's huge power over their phones, in this specific case the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

velobro 8y ago
I am. I'd suggest getting a Pixel or other Android device if Apple's privacy stance bothers you. They will act on behalf of the consumer, regardless if you feel like "but it's my phone!". Yes, it's your phone. But not your app store. You can use your iPhone perfectly well without ever having opened the app store.
- pacala 8y ago
  Android is spyware, with a slightly more humane face. Not touching it with a 10 foot pole.
wyldfire 8y ago
I just hope they haven't awoken a sleeping giant. Facebook has enormous capital and engineering capacity. If they decided to have their own app store and/or phone ecosystem, their brand might position them as a viable competitor to Google or Apple. But would we be better off for it?
- barkingcat 8y ago
  They already tried their own phone ecosystem. I'm not saying that they shouldn't/can't try again, but it seems like Facebook's hubris is their worst enemy.
  - blattimwind 8y ago
    "We have invented something no one else has thought of. A small personal computerised device. Now you're able to stay docked twenty-four seven. On the bus. You can dock. On the subway. Stay docked. You can be docked in at home, and at the same time, you're docking with some kids at the public pool. We went to the guys at Fruit Computers and we told them we wanted to make our hardware as compatible as possible... Now you can dock your Lifeinvader to an iFruit or any other device, and it'll take all the data off and reformat it into Lifeinvader-friendly information. (2013)
  - wyldfire 8y ago
    Oh wow, you're right. I'd forgotten. Well, that's a relief -- having already failed is a big disincentive to them doing it again.

mrtksn 8y ago

I am pessimistic on the issue because people prefer to pay indirectly because it feels like it's free and everybody likes free. The business model of FB and Google deviates from Apple in a major way, with Apple you give the money and get the service. With Google and FB, you get the service and the cost is added to the stuff you buy. It's not necessarily even a price increase, maybe it's just directing the money from the billboard owners to the technologists. I don't see how FB or Google can lose unless someone in power(like a politician or an activist businessman) makes it stop despite the popular opinion. The fight between advertisers is vicious and FB doesn't look like afraid of getting its hands dirty. For someone somewhere "evil" Apple screwed up their entertainment on that FB app which just gives away free stuff and even pays you to use their VPN.

ProAm 8y ago
> with Apple you give the money and get the service I mostly agree but to be fair with Apple you rent the service. They dictate what you are allowed to install on your phone, only after they deem it suitable.
- mrtksn 8y ago
  It would cost you billions of dollar to buy the service, that's why you rent it. You can buy the hardware though. Apple doesn't dictate what you can install on your phone, you can install whatever you want using the developer tools. What Apple dictates is what people can distribute on their App Store.
  - chappi42 8y ago
    > What Apple dictates is what people can distribute on their App Store. That's the unfortunate status quo. But it would absolutely be possible to legislate Apple (and Google Play Services - grey area) to allow 3rd party stores/apps.
    - rootusrootus 8y ago
      There's no gray area there, Google Play Services is just as much of a lock as the Apple App Store.

throwaway98121 8y ago

I disagree. What is “line” you referred to and who gets to define it? No one forced you to use Facebook. Look, I don’t use FB, and I don’t particular respect Mark or Sheryl, but the daily barrage of anti tech posts crapping on FB, Apple, or Amazon are turning this place into armchairs experts and politicians all pretending to be on some moral high ground when their own employers are likely just as greed driven. We need comprehensive regulation IMO. What that should look like, I’m not qualified to say. Regardless, it’s sad to see hacker news morph into Reddit.

lovich 8y ago
I don't use Facebook either and yet they still collect data on me. Its the same issue that happened with Experian leaking data on people who never did business with Experian. I'd be comfortable calling that a line that got crossed
- cmsj 8y ago
  Well said, we have to get past this "well you have a choice" nonsense. Data is too easily acquired and cross-referenced for that to be remotely true anymore.
- throwaway98121 8y ago
  I wouldn’t. That line doesn’t exist, at least in the laws of the legal system. It might cross your own moral boundary, but that’s intrinsic to you and subjective at best. I’m not defending them as a company. I do think the rest of the media is just as horrible and would seize a similar opportunity if given the chance. We are in dire need of regulation here.
  - kodablah 8y ago
    > We are in dire need of regulation here. In many cases internet regulation, especially the sort that would curb data misuse, is a scarier line to cross.
  - enraged_camel 8y ago