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>The suit included a screenshot of an August 2015 email Mr. Rubin sent to one woman. “You will be happy being taken care of,” he wrote. “Being owned is kinda li
by IBM 8y ago
>The suit included a screenshot of an August 2015 email Mr. Rubin sent to one woman. “You will be happy being taken care of,” he wrote. “Being owned is kinda like you are my property, and I can loan you to other people.”
Uhhh
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- nailer 8y agoThat's perfectly fine to send to a consenting partner. But completely inappropriate for the workplace. Edit: not sure why this is being downmodded (not complaining about it, just curious). Is it somehow not completely fine for consenting adults to have whatever kinks they want? Rubin deserves to be punished for sexual harassment. Kink shaming is unnecessary.
- danso 8y agoSlight nitpick: it's not clear that this particular email was about a workplace relationship (or sent on company time/servers). It was an email included as evidence in a civil suit by his ex-wife: > In a civil suit filed this month by Mr. Rubin’s ex-wife, Rie Rubin, she claimed he had multiple “ownership relationships” with other women during their marriage, paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to them. The couple were divorced in August. The suit included a screenshot of an August 2015 email...
- puzzle 8y agoThe email was from 2015, but he had left Google in 2014, so it wasn't sent on company time/servers. Even if it had been sent earlier, Andy Rubin had been named in enough patent lawsuits and deposed enough times to know that multiple plaintiffs had lawyers billing $700/800 per hour (at the very least) to go through all his corporate account's messages. He must have had tens of litigation holds.
- sololipsist 8y agoRubin deserves to be punished for sexual harassment.... IF, in fact, he sexually harassed, right? A) What in the hell was his partner doing reporting to his place of business that she felt like he had compelled her to have sex with him in a hotel room? What does that have to do with work? That smells like using an accusation as a weapon to me. B) What does "compelled" mean? I had a girlfriend once who was into kink and I wasn't. We did kink all the time and it wasn't fulfilling to me, and once time in particular I was trying very hard to just get her to have sex with me (which I thought was going to be part of the relationship and was just beginning to realize it was not). I kept asking, she kept saying no. Eventually she gave in. After our break-up she cited this as a rape to a friend. Is this rape? Is it even sexual harassment? There are so few details here it's shameful it's even being reported on. So what if Google gave a severance to someone who was accused of harassment? It's not even clear, from the details, that he did. Shit, what if they did an internal investigation and determined that he didn't? What's wrong with people here, acting like this is something we know he did?
- bronson 8y ago> What does that have to do with work? She worked for him. Not sure if it's intentional but your reply seems full of willful ignorance.
- sololipsist 8y agoSo what? People who work together have sexual relationships, and people who have relationships will have conflict. "People who disagree with me are ignorant." Come on, man. Seriously? You sounds like a college kid on facebook. If a company is not going to prohibit employees from having sexual relationships with each other, horizontally or vertically, that company also need to expect those employees to work their conflict out outside of work. If google does want to prohibit this, they should have disciplined both of them the moment they heard about it and fired them if it continued. What's with people expecting companies to be mommy and daddy when we have conflicts in our relationships? That's crazy.
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- asianthrowaway 8y agoVanilla person here. Do women actually find it "hot" to be "loaned" like a sex slave? Given the circumstances I don't think it's absurd to assume that this was his fantasy and his only.
- blattimwind 8y agoSome do. Some even engage in 24/7 play or undergo training, though those are certainly on the more extreme end of a very large spectrum indeed.
- nikanj 8y agoWith about 7,000,000,000 people out there, you can safely assume that for any given X, there's plenty of people who find X really hot.
- DonHopkins 8y agoAnd 21 to 70 million of those real people out there are actually slaves, owned by other real people, who are not just role playing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century
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- ahthrowaway 8y agoThrowaway for obvious reasons. In my experience at a college in the northeast, it was about 10% that had actually thought a lot about it already and really wanted to do it. Around 50%, however, were more than happy to try it after learning about it. This is definitely pretty far on the spectrum (the loaning part more so than the slave part), but I've said the 'loaning' part to people many times in a certain context and never actually meant it. I'd bet it just stayed as a fantasy between them.
- sudosteph 8y agoSince the comments here seem to be mostly like "well at least some of them do", I'll just go ahead confirm your suspicion as a woman who has talked to other women about their relationships. Liking to be denigrated is not the norm at all, it's kinda gross and demeaning. However, much like many other sexual practices that many women find distasteful, some women will play along or pretend that they're into it to make their partners happy. Most of the time the partners aren't trying to be controlling or whatever, they're just imitating porn which normalizes that kind of thing. So yeah, there's a high chance this was a one-sided fantasy like you suspect.
- liquidise 8y agoGod help whoever received that. I won't comment on the perversions in private life, but i hope that was not sent to a coworker. Sending such a message to a coworker, especially if you are in a managerial position above them is… reprehensible to the point of permanent ejection from any respectable company.
- village-idiot 8y agoExactly. If that was a private partner and done with consent, it’s fine, even if I personally would never consider such an arrangement for my own life. If he’s gotten into a consenting relationship with his subordinates, then that’s kinda skeezy, since one has to wonder how much workplace power dynamics come into play. There’s a damn good reason why HR tends to clamp down on workplace dating, it creates a whole host of issues. If he was using his power to push that, or springing it suddenly on coworkers and subordinates, then he needs to be blacklisted ASAP.
- samstave 8y agoIronically, HR people I have known in the past have been some of the worst offenders in this area... Think of Zenefits, for example, an HR tools tech company which had to literally create an official policy stopping people from having sex in stairwells at the office.
- blattimwind 8y ago> Think of Zenefits, for example, an HR tools tech company which had to literally create an official policy stopping people from having sex in stairwells at the office. dev1: busy? dev2: coding wizard for "no workplace dating" policies dev1: wanna bang? dev2: sure
- village-idiot 8y agoI’m sure the chat logs from that company are very embarrassing.
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- ilyaeck 8y agoHow about the full context, before we jump to conclusions? Was that sent to a co-worker or not? Was that an argument for or against "being owned"? Was that sarcasm or in earnest? Was that a quote from a book? None of that is clear without context!
- blattimwind 8y agoThis exact snippet could both be part of a SSC (safe, sane and consensual) relationship, or sexual harassment, possibly even sexual exploitation. Which it is, depends on the context; removing or implying context makes it very easy to have one appear as the other.
- samstave 8y agoExactly. And people would get surprised to know just how many "sexually progressive" (I'm using that term because I don't know a better one) people there are in silicon valley. I know people who have full BDSM dungeons in their homes, go to all sorts of outrageous parties and have some of the craziest stories. SV in general has every type of person. I recall some contractors commenting on a multi-million dollar "pleasure dungeon" they built into a huge mansion in Los Altos Hills.... So, for some this can be SSC, for other context it can be far worse. One thing is for sure, whatever the context, these situations typically don't turn out good when they get the public eye.
- auanfaz 8y agoIt's about time sexual degenerates are gotten rid of during recruitment phase.
- nirElHeroinas 8y agoThank you for your valuable contribution.