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Since pretty much every engineer under the sun knows this experience sucks, how can we attribute this to anything other than the rise of MBAs running the show?

LiterallyDoge 8y ago
So true. Art majors too. And psych. And anyone with a sense of craftsmanship. And children and cats.
lozenge 8y ago
The lawyers are running the asylum.
superhuzza 8y ago
Let's run through it: 1. Do you want to receive notifications: Business or marketing request 2. Your privacy/cookie warning: Likely legal requirement. 3. Age requirement: I'll assume it's an 18+ site, so requested by legal dept. 4. Subscribe to our newsletter: Marketing request 5. Disable adblock: Business request 6. Donate: Business request. 7. Did you find what you were looking for: UX request 8. Something went wrong: Engineering
- SAI_Peregrinus 8y ago
  2. For the vast majority of sites, this is a Business request, since the cookies aren't necessary for operation. They're just for tracking. A login cookie being set would trigger the legal requirement, but a user with no account shouldn't even see the box.
  - VonGallifrey 8y ago
    > A login cookie being set would trigger the legal requirement, Are you talking about the EU privacy and data protection directives? Because they have an exception for Authentication, Session and Security Cookies as well as several other types of cookies which are necessary for the function of the site. A user that is logged in should not need to see this either.
- oneeyedpigeon 8y ago
  > 1. Do you want to receive notifications: Business or marketing request Alright, who actually told them that this was a thing they could do? Own up.
supernovae 8y ago
What ideas do you have for publishers to actually monetize their content? That's what most of these annoyances are there for... It's not really MBAs running the show - its the sad fact that content is so centralized and monetized by the giants that independent publishers have to result to this stuff on a large scale to remain competitive... if you don't install trackers you don't earn premium CPMs on your ads and if you don't earn premium CPMs you start building email lists and then you start spamming people to sell crap and doing exit popups and constant reminders to subscribe now and crap like that. content publishing is largely copycat - what works or what drives revenue pops up everywhere or becomes a pattern that publishers can subscribe to in order to ink out some revenue to pay for crap. I run a small travel blog and i spend a lot of money on good fast page loads, global cdn, high performance/fast loading website and it pains me to have to have ads/trackers/facebook connect and crap like that but i'd love some feedback on how to do something different that people would actually support - or how to do ads in a way that doesn't scare people off... just using google tag manager i see 40% of my traffic runs adblock.... i'd break even if this weren't true but that's the reality we face so lots of insane measures of trying to monetize a visit means the web just by and large becomes worse and worse...
- CaptSpify 8y ago
  > What ideas do you have for publishers to actually monetize their content? How about either: A) A traditional product or service, where you can skim some money off the top. B) User donations: Patreon, Kickstarter, etc I'm open to more ideas, but these are already in the wild, and are already working just fine.
  - supernovae 8y ago
    a) such as? b) no one donates unless you have a) a) always assumes people are writing to sell something - do we not like creative writing, journalism and such? Adblocks also tend to block patreon and kickstarter buttons/links as well...
    - CaptSpify 8y ago

LiterallyDoge 8y ago

So true. Art majors too. And psych. And anyone with a sense of craftsmanship. And children and cats.

lozenge 8y ago

The lawyers are running the asylum.

superhuzza 8y ago

Let's run through it: 1. Do you want to receive notifications: Business or marketing request 2. Your privacy/cookie warning: Likely legal requirement. 3. Age requirement: I'll assume it's an 18+ site, so requested by legal dept. 4. Subscribe to our newsletter: Marketing request 5. Disable adblock: Business request 6. Donate: Business request. 7. Did you find what you were looking for: UX request 8. Something went wrong: Engineering

SAI_Peregrinus 8y ago
2. For the vast majority of sites, this is a Business request, since the cookies aren't necessary for operation. They're just for tracking. A login cookie being set would trigger the legal requirement, but a user with no account shouldn't even see the box.
- VonGallifrey 8y ago
  > A login cookie being set would trigger the legal requirement, Are you talking about the EU privacy and data protection directives? Because they have an exception for Authentication, Session and Security Cookies as well as several other types of cookies which are necessary for the function of the site. A user that is logged in should not need to see this either.
oneeyedpigeon 8y ago
> 1. Do you want to receive notifications: Business or marketing request Alright, who actually told them that this was a thing they could do? Own up.

supernovae 8y ago

What ideas do you have for publishers to actually monetize their content? That's what most of these annoyances are there for... It's not really MBAs running the show - its the sad fact that content is so centralized and monetized by the giants that independent publishers have to result to this stuff on a large scale to remain competitive... if you don't install trackers you don't earn premium CPMs on your ads and if you don't earn premium CPMs you start building email lists and then you start spamming people to sell crap and doing exit popups and constant reminders to subscribe now and crap like that. content publishing is largely copycat - what works or what drives revenue pops up everywhere or becomes a pattern that publishers can subscribe to in order to ink out some revenue to pay for crap. I run a small travel blog and i spend a lot of money on good fast page loads, global cdn, high performance/fast loading website and it pains me to have to have ads/trackers/facebook connect and crap like that but i'd love some feedback on how to do something different that people would actually support - or how to do ads in a way that doesn't scare people off... just using google tag manager i see 40% of my traffic runs adblock.... i'd break even if this weren't true but that's the reality we face so lots of insane measures of trying to monetize a visit means the web just by and large becomes worse and worse...

CaptSpify 8y ago
> What ideas do you have for publishers to actually monetize their content? How about either: A) A traditional product or service, where you can skim some money off the top. B) User donations: Patreon, Kickstarter, etc I'm open to more ideas, but these are already in the wild, and are already working just fine.
- supernovae 8y ago
  a) such as? b) no one donates unless you have a) a) always assumes people are writing to sell something - do we not like creative writing, journalism and such? Adblocks also tend to block patreon and kickstarter buttons/links as well...
  - CaptSpify 8y ago