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How long did it take for Windows 95 to be developed? It would be an interesting contrasts between Enterprise and Charitable development.

da_chicken 8y ago
Windows 95 still borrowed a lot of code from MS-DOS, though. That's why you could still exit to the command prompt. I think you could do that through WinME.
- DEFCON28 8y ago
  Huh? Why would you even say this? There's no MS-DOS code in Windows 95, and you couldn't exit Windows 95 to a command prompt. Are you just trying to throw some FUD into this conversation?
  - chungy 8y ago
    No, he's right. Windows 95/98/Me use MS-DOS as a bootloader, and Windows 95+98 still allowed you to exit Windows from the shutdown prompt, leaving you only at the DOS prompt. Windows Me took away the ability to exit, least without a binary hack to IO.SYS that can re-enable it.
    - orionblastar 8y ago
      You mean DOS Mode where Win9X GUI shuts down and reboots into DOS mode to run DOS software. I was a Win95 beta tester.
  - kalleboo 8y ago
    You could even configure Windows 95/98 to boot directly to DOS by setting BootGUI=0 in MSDOS.SYS, and then you'd have to run "WIN" to boot Windows
    - snvzz 8y ago
      Isn't MSDOS.SYS a binary? Are you sure you don't mean CONFIG.SYS?
      - nandhp 8y ago
        According to Wikipedia, it became a configuration file in Windows 95 (MS-DOS 7.0): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDOS.SYS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDOS.SYS
        snvzz 8y ago
        Interesting, never knew that.
  - kyberias 8y ago
    I didn't remember it either, but Windows 95 actually allowed to exit to DOS. https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/startupshutdown/shutdownwindow/win95.png https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/startupshutdown/shutdo...
  - wvenable 8y ago
    The original "It's now safe to turn off your computer" screen in Windows 95/98 actually sent you to a DOS prompt. Because the computer was in graphics mode you couldn't see the prompt but you could blindly type the commands to switch modes and continue to use the computer from DOS.
  - nickpsecurity 8y ago
    That would've made one of my favorite tricks impossible. Here's what I remember doing about those pesky login screens asking for passwords: 1. Reboot the computer in DOS mode. 2. Change to Windows directory. 3. Delete the .pwl file for a user. 4. Reboot back into Windows 95. 5. Enter a new password in what was once a login screen asking for the old one. Simpler times for hackers back then. :)
greenhouse_gas 8y ago
It's much easier to Greenfield your way rather than reverse engineer (bug-for-bug) complicated code.

da_chicken 8y ago

Windows 95 still borrowed a lot of code from MS-DOS, though. That's why you could still exit to the command prompt. I think you could do that through WinME.

DEFCON28 8y ago
Huh? Why would you even say this? There's no MS-DOS code in Windows 95, and you couldn't exit Windows 95 to a command prompt. Are you just trying to throw some FUD into this conversation?
- chungy 8y ago
  No, he's right. Windows 95/98/Me use MS-DOS as a bootloader, and Windows 95+98 still allowed you to exit Windows from the shutdown prompt, leaving you only at the DOS prompt. Windows Me took away the ability to exit, least without a binary hack to IO.SYS that can re-enable it.
  - orionblastar 8y ago
    You mean DOS Mode where Win9X GUI shuts down and reboots into DOS mode to run DOS software. I was a Win95 beta tester.
- kalleboo 8y ago
  You could even configure Windows 95/98 to boot directly to DOS by setting BootGUI=0 in MSDOS.SYS, and then you'd have to run "WIN" to boot Windows
  - snvzz 8y ago
    Isn't MSDOS.SYS a binary? Are you sure you don't mean CONFIG.SYS?
    - nandhp 8y ago
      According to Wikipedia, it became a configuration file in Windows 95 (MS-DOS 7.0): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDOS.SYS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDOS.SYS
      - snvzz 8y ago
        Interesting, never knew that.
- kyberias 8y ago
  I didn't remember it either, but Windows 95 actually allowed to exit to DOS. https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/startupshutdown/shutdownwindow/win95.png https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/startupshutdown/shutdo...
- wvenable 8y ago
  The original "It's now safe to turn off your computer" screen in Windows 95/98 actually sent you to a DOS prompt. Because the computer was in graphics mode you couldn't see the prompt but you could blindly type the commands to switch modes and continue to use the computer from DOS.
- nickpsecurity 8y ago
  That would've made one of my favorite tricks impossible. Here's what I remember doing about those pesky login screens asking for passwords: 1. Reboot the computer in DOS mode. 2. Change to Windows directory. 3. Delete the .pwl file for a user. 4. Reboot back into Windows 95. 5. Enter a new password in what was once a login screen asking for the old one. Simpler times for hackers back then. :)

greenhouse_gas 8y ago

It's much easier to Greenfield your way rather than reverse engineer (bug-for-bug) complicated code.