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The article you linked looks to be about how they banned someone who said that a shooting last month was a 'false flag' and the victims were paid actors... This

The article you linked looks to be about how they banned someone who said that a shooting last month was a 'false flag' and the victims were paid actors... This is not the time this horrible false narrative has been applied to a shooting, alex jones promoted an identical story last year. These things are always actually about the alt-right getting kicked out of a service, they say the service is now dead and doesn't care about "free speech" (argument doesn't hold on a private platform), they make their own competitor and it's filled entirely with hate speech (voat, gab, hatreon). the reason only horrible people go to those competing sites is because everyone else knows the positions are nonsense.

srslack 8y ago
They banned several other people, iirc, who did not incite violence nor disinformation on their platform. >argument doesn't hold on a private platform Would you argue that Liberapay's banning was justified, here, in the context of this story? >everyone else knows the positions are nonsense. The cornerstone of a modern liberal democracy is not 'nonsense.' You just don't appreciate free speech, and thus cannot call yourself a liberal. And that's fine with me.
husnjsnjgj 8y ago
If there are two platforms. One is high quality, polished and it allows everything except x. The other is lower quality, small budget, and it allows everything. Then guess what: everything that isn't x will be on the first platform.
- hsljekskfh 8y ago
  i guess the problem is that there's no historical comparison for a social network. if you compare twitter or medium to a newspaper, well obviously it's not against the first amendment for them to stop people they disagree with from posting. maybe it's more like a megaphone, a tool that allows you to communicate. a free megaphone, and there are competitors, but their megaphones are quieter... it's an issue that's being debated every day now. without question it's stupid that obviously hateful yet popular propaganda platforms like donald trump's subreddit are allowed while hateful and less popular subreddits are banned. just saying, it's not black and white. but by current us law this stuff is all legal.
dahdum 8y ago
With the government is passing laws like FOSTA giving private platforms huge liability for allowing free speech, the alt-right was just the beginning. Now it’s moved on to sex workers, harm reduction communities, marketplaces, and more. If the next step is liability for “false narratives” and “disinformation”, open and free discussion is dead, under the boot of the arbiters of truth.
- type0 8y ago
  > open and free discussion is dead, under the boot of the arbiters of truth. Next step: Ministry of Truth?!

srslack 8y ago

They banned several other people, iirc, who did not incite violence nor disinformation on their platform. >argument doesn't hold on a private platform Would you argue that Liberapay's banning was justified, here, in the context of this story? >everyone else knows the positions are nonsense. The cornerstone of a modern liberal democracy is not 'nonsense.' You just don't appreciate free speech, and thus cannot call yourself a liberal. And that's fine with me.

husnjsnjgj 8y ago

If there are two platforms. One is high quality, polished and it allows everything except x. The other is lower quality, small budget, and it allows everything. Then guess what: everything that isn't x will be on the first platform.

hsljekskfh 8y ago
i guess the problem is that there's no historical comparison for a social network. if you compare twitter or medium to a newspaper, well obviously it's not against the first amendment for them to stop people they disagree with from posting. maybe it's more like a megaphone, a tool that allows you to communicate. a free megaphone, and there are competitors, but their megaphones are quieter... it's an issue that's being debated every day now. without question it's stupid that obviously hateful yet popular propaganda platforms like donald trump's subreddit are allowed while hateful and less popular subreddits are banned. just saying, it's not black and white. but by current us law this stuff is all legal.

dahdum 8y ago

With the government is passing laws like FOSTA giving private platforms huge liability for allowing free speech, the alt-right was just the beginning. Now it’s moved on to sex workers, harm reduction communities, marketplaces, and more. If the next step is liability for “false narratives” and “disinformation”, open and free discussion is dead, under the boot of the arbiters of truth.

type0 8y ago
> open and free discussion is dead, under the boot of the arbiters of truth. Next step: Ministry of Truth?!