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you're missing the point I think, and so did the Author of this post. Its not about the bells and whistles, or features that came built in. Its about the apps t

you're missing the point I think, and so did the Author of this post. Its not about the bells and whistles, or features that came built in. Its about the apps that YOU may want to install on it, and not what the manufacturer gets to say you'll get. Who cares if the Sony Bravia has Netflix, YouTube, Pandora and even Hulu bundled in if the Apple TV or Google TV will allow you to install the apps you want. Just like what happened with phones in the past couple of years, its no longer about features, its about how many developers you can bring to your platform to build all the creative applications. If Balmer got one thing right, it would have been this: Developers, Developers, Developers.

ThomPete 16y ago
Actually that is exactly where Balmer was wrong. It doesn't work like that and you certainly won't be making consumber friendly products only with developers. What he should have said was developers, designers, vision. It's the symbiosis of developers and designers that makes a platform interesting.
- naelshawwa 16y ago
  The iPhone worked because of the app store, not because of the touch screen or the phone, or any "consumer friendliness" The app store worked because of the thousands of developers that built apps for the iphone. That is what I'm saying. Don't take "developers" to mean just "coder". I look at it as anybody who is actually involved in building the application, ex. designer, tester, coder, etc. etc. Look around you, Facebook, iPad, iPhone, Twitter, Google Maps, etc. etc. all these are platforms, and they're successful because people found use cases that the original designers haven't thought of. The ecosystem surrounding these platforms is built by developers, developers, developers.
  - ThomPete 16y ago
    To me the iPhone and the app store are synonymous so I don't disagree with you. But the app store wasn't there to begin with remember. And it's not what Balmer meant when he said the 3D's. That it takes developers to build these things is obvious, just as obvious as it takes engineers to build cars. But it's not engineers engineers engineers. That's all I am saying.
    - naelshawwa 16y ago
      yeah the app store wasn't, and I don't know how successful the iPhone would have been if it weren't but it would have still been revolutionary though. >>That it takes developers to build these things is obvious, >>just as obvious as it takes engineers to build cars. But >>it's not engineers engineers engineers. Lol. Okay thats not a fair analogy. You build a parking garage, and you'll scream for "cars, cars, cars, cars". You build an airport and you'll scream for "planes, planes, planes, planes". Now when you build a platform like the app store, or the android market place, you'll scream for... : )
ajaimk 16y ago
Not at all. If you see the direction that Apple has gone with the Apple TV, you will know that an App Store won't work there. It doesn't have any hard disk to work off of.
- hexley 16y ago
  It would still have a good 8-16GB of flash onboard.
  - naelshawwa 16y ago
    I didn't see that in the specs. But anyway adding a hard drive to it won't be that expensive for a later gen.
- naelshawwa 16y ago
  Right now it doesn't, but first gen iphone didn't have an app store either. Maybe the apps can be streamed from the iPad or iPhone? who knows how they're planning it, but one thing for sure you'll be able to see apps on your TV. Regardless of how they do it, I just think it won't be about the bells and whistles TV manufacturers can bundle in their TV in a few years.

ThomPete 16y ago

Actually that is exactly where Balmer was wrong. It doesn't work like that and you certainly won't be making consumber friendly products only with developers. What he should have said was developers, designers, vision. It's the symbiosis of developers and designers that makes a platform interesting.

naelshawwa 16y ago
The iPhone worked because of the app store, not because of the touch screen or the phone, or any "consumer friendliness" The app store worked because of the thousands of developers that built apps for the iphone. That is what I'm saying. Don't take "developers" to mean just "coder". I look at it as anybody who is actually involved in building the application, ex. designer, tester, coder, etc. etc. Look around you, Facebook, iPad, iPhone, Twitter, Google Maps, etc. etc. all these are platforms, and they're successful because people found use cases that the original designers haven't thought of. The ecosystem surrounding these platforms is built by developers, developers, developers.
- ThomPete 16y ago
  To me the iPhone and the app store are synonymous so I don't disagree with you. But the app store wasn't there to begin with remember. And it's not what Balmer meant when he said the 3D's. That it takes developers to build these things is obvious, just as obvious as it takes engineers to build cars. But it's not engineers engineers engineers. That's all I am saying.
  - naelshawwa 16y ago
    yeah the app store wasn't, and I don't know how successful the iPhone would have been if it weren't but it would have still been revolutionary though. >>That it takes developers to build these things is obvious, >>just as obvious as it takes engineers to build cars. But >>it's not engineers engineers engineers. Lol. Okay thats not a fair analogy. You build a parking garage, and you'll scream for "cars, cars, cars, cars". You build an airport and you'll scream for "planes, planes, planes, planes". Now when you build a platform like the app store, or the android market place, you'll scream for... : )

ajaimk 16y ago

Not at all. If you see the direction that Apple has gone with the Apple TV, you will know that an App Store won't work there. It doesn't have any hard disk to work off of.

hexley 16y ago
It would still have a good 8-16GB of flash onboard.
- naelshawwa 16y ago
  I didn't see that in the specs. But anyway adding a hard drive to it won't be that expensive for a later gen.
naelshawwa 16y ago
Right now it doesn't, but first gen iphone didn't have an app store either. Maybe the apps can be streamed from the iPad or iPhone? who knows how they're planning it, but one thing for sure you'll be able to see apps on your TV. Regardless of how they do it, I just think it won't be about the bells and whistles TV manufacturers can bundle in their TV in a few years.