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“We have received reports from a few customers of higher system reboots after applying firmware updates.” What does higher mean here?

dboreham 9y ago
Means whoever typed that can't write.
IvyMike 9y ago
more frequent
- kbenson 9y ago
  With the implication that random reboots of a lesser, but non-zero frequency are okay, it's at least expected? Odd wording for sure.
  - ahoka 9y ago
    If you have Intel wireless or display drivers installed then it is perfectly normal for a computer to randomly reboot.
    - clarry 9y ago
      How often? I have 495 days of uptime here with intel graphics & wireless.
      - Avamander 9y ago
        Reboot your PC mate, the kernel needs updating.
        yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
        Kpatch?
        pritambaral 9y ago
        Not for the scale of changes that KPTI needs, and almost certainly not for the scale of updates they have likely missed.
        clarry 9y ago
        OpenBSD. I don't think the PTI patches are quite ready yet. Either way I'm not too worried.
        pritambaral 9y ago
        Kpatch works on (or has an equivalent in) OpenBSD?
        clarry 9y ago
        Nope.
adamson 9y ago
As in more reboots than they had been experiencing before applying the updates
Someone 9y ago
The original statement, as phrased by their engineers, probably was something like “Our latest firmware regularly crashes your system, triggering reboots” (plus a few paragraphs with a highly detailed description of why that happened that only the engineers who wrote the firmware would understand) This is what they ended up with after a few reviews with legal (“we can’t say ‘our’; they’ll eat us in court”) and marketing (“We need a less emotionally loaded way to say ‘crash’”) Legal aimed to maintain just enough meaning in the statement to be able to say “we warned customers as soon as we could”; marketing aimed to make it a positive message. I guess that’s why ‘higher’ won over ‘more’.
- accnttthn 9y ago
  Our firmware is mostly harmless.

dboreham 9y ago

Means whoever typed that can't write.

IvyMike 9y ago

more frequent

kbenson 9y ago
With the implication that random reboots of a lesser, but non-zero frequency are okay, it's at least expected? Odd wording for sure.
- ahoka 9y ago
  If you have Intel wireless or display drivers installed then it is perfectly normal for a computer to randomly reboot.
  - clarry 9y ago
    How often? I have 495 days of uptime here with intel graphics & wireless.
    - Avamander 9y ago
      Reboot your PC mate, the kernel needs updating.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
        Kpatch?
        pritambaral 9y ago
        Not for the scale of changes that KPTI needs, and almost certainly not for the scale of updates they have likely missed.
        clarry 9y ago
        OpenBSD. I don't think the PTI patches are quite ready yet. Either way I'm not too worried.
        pritambaral 9y ago
        Kpatch works on (or has an equivalent in) OpenBSD?
        clarry 9y ago
        Nope.

adamson 9y ago

As in more reboots than they had been experiencing before applying the updates

Someone 9y ago

The original statement, as phrased by their engineers, probably was something like “Our latest firmware regularly crashes your system, triggering reboots” (plus a few paragraphs with a highly detailed description of why that happened that only the engineers who wrote the firmware would understand) This is what they ended up with after a few reviews with legal (“we can’t say ‘our’; they’ll eat us in court”) and marketing (“We need a less emotionally loaded way to say ‘crash’”) Legal aimed to maintain just enough meaning in the statement to be able to say “we warned customers as soon as we could”; marketing aimed to make it a positive message. I guess that’s why ‘higher’ won over ‘more’.

accnttthn 9y ago
Our firmware is mostly harmless.