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Sun poured billions into Java; is it so bad to ask for one of the biggest benefitors to share the profits?

by reneky 16y ago

mojuba 16y ago
"Asking" doesn't mean suing first thing in the morning.
- dagw 16y ago
  I'll bet good money that there was a lot of negotiation going on behind closed doors between Oracle and Google before this suit was filed. We're only seeing this suit because Google must have turned down Oracle's best offer.
zyb09 16y ago
Well they could have just gone with python if they had known this was coming. They probably picked Java on the basis that it is free to use and fits into the open-source community.
- joubert 16y ago
  Google didn't create Android. They bought it.
- gvb 16y ago
  Android, Inc. (the original company) chose Java because their target market (smartphones) nearly universally supported Java (JVM) at the time of the inception of Android, so the phones ran Java and phone developers knew and were comfortable with Java. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29#Acquisition_by_Google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29#... I was unable to ascertain whether Dalvik came from Android, Inc. or was created by Google after acquiring Android. My memory says the later. The Dalvik VM is an end-run around the Sun JVM licensing issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine See especially the reference http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ This raised more than one eyebrowse, and sure did make me raise mine: how did Google manage to get Sun to license off a platform that could very well kill their own? Turns out, they didn’t: their move was even smarter than Sun’s. Today Google released the Android code and I took a serious look at its internals... and found the solution for the licensing problem. It’s called Dalvik and it’s the new name of Sun’s worst nightmares.
  - mbreese 16y ago
    My recollection is that Dalvik was always a key part of Android and it came along to Google when they bought it.
  - wmf 16y ago
    Also, key Android people came from Danger which was Java-based.
weavejester 16y ago
Oracle are not suing Google because they've made a profit from Java. They are suing Google for making a competing VM which allegedly infringes some of Oracle's patents.

Sun poured billions into Java; is it so bad to ask for one of the biggest benefitors to share the profits?

by reneky 16y ago

Sun poured billions into Java; is it so bad to ask for one of the biggest benefitors to share the profits?

mojuba 16y ago

"Asking" doesn't mean suing first thing in the morning.

dagw 16y ago
I'll bet good money that there was a lot of negotiation going on behind closed doors between Oracle and Google before this suit was filed. We're only seeing this suit because Google must have turned down Oracle's best offer.

zyb09 16y ago

Well they could have just gone with python if they had known this was coming. They probably picked Java on the basis that it is free to use and fits into the open-source community.

joubert 16y ago
Google didn't create Android. They bought it.
gvb 16y ago
Android, Inc. (the original company) chose Java because their target market (smartphones) nearly universally supported Java (JVM) at the time of the inception of Android, so the phones ran Java and phone developers knew and were comfortable with Java. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29#Acquisition_by_Google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29#... I was unable to ascertain whether Dalvik came from Android, Inc. or was created by Google after acquiring Android. My memory says the later. The Dalvik VM is an end-run around the Sun JVM licensing issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine See especially the reference http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ This raised more than one eyebrowse, and sure did make me raise mine: how did Google manage to get Sun to license off a platform that could very well kill their own? Turns out, they didn’t: their move was even smarter than Sun’s. Today Google released the Android code and I took a serious look at its internals... and found the solution for the licensing problem. It’s called Dalvik and it’s the new name of Sun’s worst nightmares.
- mbreese 16y ago
  My recollection is that Dalvik was always a key part of Android and it came along to Google when they bought it.
- wmf 16y ago
  Also, key Android people came from Danger which was Java-based.

weavejester 16y ago

Oracle are not suing Google because they've made a profit from Java. They are suing Google for making a competing VM which allegedly infringes some of Oracle's patents.