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5% is unrealistic. 1% is. 50 million * .01 * .65 (tax) / 4 years = 81,250 considering opportunity cost and time spent. likely not worth it.
by dnaquin 16y ago
5% is unrealistic. 1% is.
50 million * .01 * .65 (tax) / 4 years = 81,250
considering opportunity cost and time spent. likely not worth it.
- _delirium 16y agoIt's also often not even 1% of 50m, but 1% of (50m minus liquidation preferences).
- patio11 16y agoLiquidation preferences are wacky -- I would have never understood them without several patient explanations on HN. I'm curious: is modeling their effects just common Valley knowledge that you'd do effortlessly during a job interview, or would most candidates be as unknowingly ignorant of their effects as I was a year ago?
- rdl 16y agoI sit with people with a googledocs spreadsheet and we plug in numbers for various scenarios, so they can see what happens if there is a quick sale vs. multi round and then later. And show how cash comp to engineers affects this too. I believe in total transparency for at least the first 20 or so employees wrt budgets, salaries, equity, etc. If you "trick" someone into working for less, you have screwed yourself more than you have saved money.
- pjhyett 16y agoGitHub's first employee owns more than 1% of the company, so I'm not sure why it's unrealistic. Maybe in the world of businesses letting VC's tell them how to run their company this is the norm, but it doesn't have to be.
- dpritchett 16y agoGitHub also brags about not taking outside funding, so it's a potentially better deal for them: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1454597 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1454597
- rdl 16y agoName one company in the USA which didn't take outside funding and exited for more than 30mm usd?
- usaar333 16y agoI'm somewhat sure that would describe National Instruments (IPO'd at a $380M market cap)
- rdl 16y agoWow. I was secretly trying to get you to find an answer to one of Keith Rabois questions on quora. I forgot he qualified it as post 1999. Can you do that too? National Instruments is an amazing company...I was fortunate to get to use their products on some projects as a teenager.
- usaar333 16y agoI'm not 100% positive on NI. I just recall that claim being made when I interned there and can't find any info suggesting otherwise. They IPO'd in 1995, btw.
- equark 16y agoSas. Still private no funding, founder is worth 8 billion.
- roel_v 16y agoYeah, and how much of those do the employees get? Right.
- nl 16y agoSAS has a profit sharing programming. That's often a better deal for employees. In SAS's case they pay up to $70,000 as a bonus, in Canada anyway: http://www.eluta.ca/top-employer-sas-canada http://www.eluta.ca/top-employer-sas-canada. Averages seem to range from $9000 to $32,000 (http://www.glassdoor.com/Bonuses/SAS-Institute-Bonuses-E3807.htm http://www.glassdoor.com/Bonuses/SAS-Institute-Bonuses-E3807...)
- rdl 16y agoRight..when your best case is less than salary differential, before factoring in working 3x more, and the ten percent or less odds of getting the 50 exit! Something is irrational about participating. That said I would work with certain people or on certain projects as an early employee. With some, it would be economically rational, with others then entertainment value would be worth it.