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While I like the idea of having open source alternatives to the popular applications, this one is a pure and simple copy of Trello. This is a bit too much IMO.

xj9 9y ago
if it isn't free/libre software it doesn't really exist since i cannot self-host or modify the software to suit my needs. trello is a nice prototype tho.
- thinbeige 9y ago
  Why do you want to selfhost Trello? Are you afraid that somebody at Trello might steal your secret cards, todos, specs, etc. and sells them? I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work and is the typical information which people put on Trello confidential enough to justify self hosting? IDK and again Trello is free.
  - diafygi 9y ago
    Well...yeah. Trello is free, and the expectation is that if you're not paying, you're the product.
    - jasondemeuse 9y ago
      > the expectation is that if you're not paying, you're the product. What are you talking about? In what way are Trello users 'the product'? Are you just repeating a catch phrase that people say about other companies or do you actually know this to be the case? I don't use Trello myself, but unless something has changed there aren't ads being shown to users (the reasons for the 'you're the product' saying for services like Google or Facebook), I'm not sure what data they could sell that would be worthwhile for a to-do app. What else would make the users 'the product'? AFAIK they make all their money from their premium services, and since being bought by Atlassian I doubt revenue is at the top of their priority list anyway. Atlassian is full of premium services and Trello seems like a way to introduce all of those users to Atlassian's suite.
      - wolco 9y ago
        It also allows them to sell your data for mining purposes. In the next year we are going to see many AI business buy access to many unique large datasets.
        mtmail 9y ago
        "It's hard to imagine that we would ever consider collecting, let alone sharing, sensitive information with a non-agent third party, but if such a day should come, we will first give you the opportunity to explicitly consent (opt-in) to such disclosure or to any use of the information for a purpose other than the one for which it was originally collected or previously authorized." https://trello.com/privacy https://trello.com/privacy
    - mtmail 9y ago
      Trello is freemium https://trello.com/pricing https://trello.com/pricing, they make money from users upgrading
    - addicted 9y ago
      Trello has a free tier. They don't do data collection as far as I know. The free tier is a cheap loss leader for the actual product which are the enterprise and team versions which are not free.
  - Nullabillity 9y ago
    Integrations with third-party stuff perhaps? Plus Wekan's slight differences seem like improvements to me.
  - xj9 9y ago
    who said anything about confidentiality? i'm talking about long-term viability. if i self-host, i don't have to worry about Trello's business model or changes to the product that i don't like/want. i have control. which is whole point.
  - mbreese 9y ago
    There are legitimate reasons for wanting/needing to self-host. For example, in a regulatory environment, I could see managing PHI data (not for clinical treatment, but maybe tracking clinical research). In this case, Trello would either need to sign a BAA or you'd need to self host something. There are many reasons why self-hosting is the only viable option for some use-cases. And then there are also data longevity issues, where you'd need the ability to backup and restore your data. If Trello goes away (as a free service), then you have fewer options in the regard.
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - commandar 9y ago
      > For example, in a regulatory environment, I could see managing PHI data This is exactly why I have a spare box running Wekan in my office at work. We run clinical applications for a hospital; sometimes project tracking+testing involves PHI that we have to be super careful about letting into the outside world.
  - pvarangot 9y ago
    For some projects you need to self host because of the US protectionist and paranoid export laws for tech. Specially in aerospace, nuclear, some type of sensors, etc... That or you need a contract that guarantees that the software is hosted outside the US, which Trello won't provide.
  - zenhack 9y ago
    > I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work ... Worth pointing out: they have a sandstorm version, which changes the amount of justification need rather a lot.
  - werber 9y ago
    I couldn't implement trello in a few situations because of corporate paranoia
ceejayoz 9y ago
edit: Nevermind!
- mcone 9y ago
  Nah, the tweet is about Twilio, not Trello
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    Argh! Not the first time that's tripped me up. Thanks.
NickRRau 9y ago
Funny cause in the past wekan did get into trouble over the use of a similar logo and stylesheets taken from Trello (iirc). They've come a long way since and I think with time they can really shape up to become a strong competitor to Trello. Side note: When I was working in a corporate environment I was able to setup an instance myself to help organize my tasks. Had I used Trello it would've been against our policy if I potentially left sensitive data on there and hard(read: impossible for me alone) to get permission to use Trello officially.
xet7 9y ago
Hi, I'm maintainer of Wekan. Trello related CSS was dropped in Wekan v0.9 2015-09-10, so after that Wekan does not use anything from Trello. UI and feature set is different. https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/FAQ#why-does-wekan-look-so-different-now-compared-to--v09 https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/FAQ#why-does-wekan-look-... https://github.com/wekan/wekan/blob/devel/CHANGELOG.md#v09-2015-09-10 https://github.com/wekan/wekan/blob/devel/CHANGELOG.md#v09-2... According to Open Hub, Wekan currently has about 9000 lines of code without counting Meteor.js framework and related packages. https://www.openhub.net/p/wekan https://www.openhub.net/p/wekan
- werber 9y ago
  What made you decide on meteor?
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    xet7 is not the original creator of Wekan, so it would be hard for him to say. ;)
  - xet7 9y ago
    Hi, I'm current maintainer of Wekan. I don't remember did Wekan original creator Maxime Quandalle mention why did he choose Meteor.js in his talk at YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3iMLwCNOro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3iMLwCNOro
endgame 9y ago
Reinventing proprietary wheels is a proud Free Software tradition. Look at the GNU project for the largest example.

xj9 9y ago

if it isn't free/libre software it doesn't really exist since i cannot self-host or modify the software to suit my needs. trello is a nice prototype tho.

thinbeige 9y ago
Why do you want to selfhost Trello? Are you afraid that somebody at Trello might steal your secret cards, todos, specs, etc. and sells them? I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work and is the typical information which people put on Trello confidential enough to justify self hosting? IDK and again Trello is free.
- diafygi 9y ago
  Well...yeah. Trello is free, and the expectation is that if you're not paying, you're the product.
  - jasondemeuse 9y ago
    > the expectation is that if you're not paying, you're the product. What are you talking about? In what way are Trello users 'the product'? Are you just repeating a catch phrase that people say about other companies or do you actually know this to be the case? I don't use Trello myself, but unless something has changed there aren't ads being shown to users (the reasons for the 'you're the product' saying for services like Google or Facebook), I'm not sure what data they could sell that would be worthwhile for a to-do app. What else would make the users 'the product'? AFAIK they make all their money from their premium services, and since being bought by Atlassian I doubt revenue is at the top of their priority list anyway. Atlassian is full of premium services and Trello seems like a way to introduce all of those users to Atlassian's suite.
    - wolco 9y ago
      It also allows them to sell your data for mining purposes. In the next year we are going to see many AI business buy access to many unique large datasets.
      - mtmail 9y ago
        "It's hard to imagine that we would ever consider collecting, let alone sharing, sensitive information with a non-agent third party, but if such a day should come, we will first give you the opportunity to explicitly consent (opt-in) to such disclosure or to any use of the information for a purpose other than the one for which it was originally collected or previously authorized." https://trello.com/privacy https://trello.com/privacy
  - mtmail 9y ago
    Trello is freemium https://trello.com/pricing https://trello.com/pricing, they make money from users upgrading
  - addicted 9y ago
    Trello has a free tier. They don't do data collection as far as I know. The free tier is a cheap loss leader for the actual product which are the enterprise and team versions which are not free.
- Nullabillity 9y ago
  Integrations with third-party stuff perhaps? Plus Wekan's slight differences seem like improvements to me.
- xj9 9y ago
  who said anything about confidentiality? i'm talking about long-term viability. if i self-host, i don't have to worry about Trello's business model or changes to the product that i don't like/want. i have control. which is whole point.
- mbreese 9y ago
  There are legitimate reasons for wanting/needing to self-host. For example, in a regulatory environment, I could see managing PHI data (not for clinical treatment, but maybe tracking clinical research). In this case, Trello would either need to sign a BAA or you'd need to self host something. There are many reasons why self-hosting is the only viable option for some use-cases. And then there are also data longevity issues, where you'd need the ability to backup and restore your data. If Trello goes away (as a free service), then you have fewer options in the regard.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - commandar 9y ago
    > For example, in a regulatory environment, I could see managing PHI data This is exactly why I have a spare box running Wekan in my office at work. We run clinical applications for a hospital; sometimes project tracking+testing involves PHI that we have to be super careful about letting into the outside world.
- pvarangot 9y ago
  For some projects you need to self host because of the US protectionist and paranoid export laws for tech. Specially in aerospace, nuclear, some type of sensors, etc... That or you need a contract that guarantees that the software is hosted outside the US, which Trello won't provide.
- zenhack 9y ago
  > I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work ... Worth pointing out: they have a sandstorm version, which changes the amount of justification need rather a lot.
- werber 9y ago
  I couldn't implement trello in a few situations because of corporate paranoia

ceejayoz 9y ago

edit: Nevermind!

mcone 9y ago
Nah, the tweet is about Twilio, not Trello
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  Argh! Not the first time that's tripped me up. Thanks.

NickRRau 9y ago

Funny cause in the past wekan did get into trouble over the use of a similar logo and stylesheets taken from Trello (iirc). They've come a long way since and I think with time they can really shape up to become a strong competitor to Trello. Side note: When I was working in a corporate environment I was able to setup an instance myself to help organize my tasks. Had I used Trello it would've been against our policy if I potentially left sensitive data on there and hard(read: impossible for me alone) to get permission to use Trello officially.

xet7 9y ago

Hi, I'm maintainer of Wekan. Trello related CSS was dropped in Wekan v0.9 2015-09-10, so after that Wekan does not use anything from Trello. UI and feature set is different. https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/FAQ#why-does-wekan-look-so-different-now-compared-to--v09 https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/FAQ#why-does-wekan-look-... https://github.com/wekan/wekan/blob/devel/CHANGELOG.md#v09-2015-09-10 https://github.com/wekan/wekan/blob/devel/CHANGELOG.md#v09-2... According to Open Hub, Wekan currently has about 9000 lines of code without counting Meteor.js framework and related packages. https://www.openhub.net/p/wekan https://www.openhub.net/p/wekan

werber 9y ago
What made you decide on meteor?
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  xet7 is not the original creator of Wekan, so it would be hard for him to say. ;)
- xet7 9y ago
  Hi, I'm current maintainer of Wekan. I don't remember did Wekan original creator Maxime Quandalle mention why did he choose Meteor.js in his talk at YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3iMLwCNOro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3iMLwCNOro

endgame 9y ago

Reinventing proprietary wheels is a proud Free Software tradition. Look at the GNU project for the largest example.