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It also needs to be easier to buy it than steal it and not have unskippable adverts or lectures on piracy for a lot of things, stealing is both easier and bet

by boyce 9y ago

It also needs to be easier to buy it than steal it and not have unskippable adverts or lectures on piracy for a lot of things, stealing is both easier and better

beobab 9y ago
Careful of this mindset. So the thought process is: "I want this" "I am not allowed this" "I should be allowed this" "I will take it anyway" This is seductive, easy, and the wrong way to go for most things. I understand the frustration. I have felt the same way many, many times. I suspect that if people who illegally downloaded movies posted money to the studios who created the content directly, then this problem would disappear pretty much overnight.
- bkor 9y ago
  > illegally downloaded movies posted money to the studios who created the content directly, then this problem would disappear pretty much overnight So if you cannot get something legally easily, you should support that practice and suddenly you'll get it more easily in future? This in a post about an article where Disney is making it more difficult to get content legally? Really?
- boyce 9y ago
  I'm discussing the product and service, no interest in moral or legal judgements.
  - jamespo 9y ago
    Took a while to find an example of someone treating availability of other people's work on their own terms as a human right but here we are.
    - boyce 9y ago
      Just trying to look at things from the perspective of an average idiot who doesn't think too hard beyond "want X now" It needs to be easy as possible to let this person buy things Maybe you have some insight
- coldtea 9y ago
  >This is seductive, easy, and the wrong way to go for most things. Perhaps that's why people don't think that for other things, but constrain that argument to digital distribution. Note that the other way (accept whatever meagre or exorbitant distribution deals the content owner wants or stay without content) also has big issues, especially if one believes movies, music, books, etc are essential to culture.
vincnetas 9y ago
Pirating != stealing.
- Joeri 9y ago
  You may want to look up the dictionary definition of stealing. Besides, it's still harmful to others and therefore wrong.
  - sgift 9y ago
    > it's still harmful to others and therefore wrong. If everything that was harmful to others would be seen as wrong we would live in a completely different world. Interestingly, people only make this connection for very few topics.
    - Joeri 9y ago
      Sounds like a better world to me. Anyway, it seems I hit a nerve. I used to be one of those piracy is not stealing people, back when I pirated content. Now that I pay for content I can look back at that person and understand that cognitive dissonance between my notion of myself as a good person and the fact that I was pirating content led me to consider piracy a good thing, or at the least not a bad thing. Because really, what is being said with the semantics argument "piracy != stealing"? It is about how harmful piracy is, whether it really is as bad as stealing, and fundamentally whether or not we should have copyright at all. If we should have copyright, then we must have legal tools to enforce it, and piracy must be illegal and wrong. If we shouldn't have copyright, then piracy is a form of freedom fighting and should be encouraged. My opinion on the matter is that we should have copyright, but that it should be more limited in duration, with stronger fair use exceptions (like the right to decrypt for the purpose of backup and archival). I don't care for the semantics argument. Call it piracy or call it stealing, it does not change what is being done: taking things without permission.
      - vincnetas 9y ago
        I'm not saying that pirating is good. I'm just saying that pirating does not mean "taking things without permission" aka stealing. It's copying things without permission. P.S. when i was young and poor i used to wear an eye patch, these days i'm paying for stuff.
ascagnel_ 9y ago
If you live in the US, the act of buying a movie and watching it immediately (without trailers or adverts) is about as simple as you can get. iTunes, Xbox Store, YouTube/Google Play, etc. all offer what are essentially one-click purchases and/or rentals, and the most you get is an interstitial menu defaulted to "play" (with other options for special features and jump to chapter).
- Frank2312 9y ago
  Except those are actually long-term rentals. What if Google or Apple or Microsoft, for whatever reason, decide to pull the plus on their service? Now you paid for nothing and don't own whichever movie you "bought" anymore.
nkkollaw 9y ago
Ha! Yes, the piracy ad is awesome... Instead of buying ad space on torrent sites (let's say), they lecture people who have actually bought the DVD. And, those who download the movie illegally can skip that, only those who actually have the DVD watch it. Absolutely retarded.
knodi123 9y ago
> and not have unskippable adverts The other day, I pirated a disney movie that I already own on DVD, because who the hell has the time to sit through 20 unskippable previews, and then an excessively animated DVD menu, and then go through a badly paginated list of scenes to try and find where you left off- but the streaming pirate site just let me click to the exact point I left off, within seconds.

by boyce 9y ago

It also needs to be easier to buy it than steal it and not have unskippable adverts or lectures on piracy for a lot of things, stealing is both easier and better

beobab 9y ago

Careful of this mindset. So the thought process is: "I want this" "I am not allowed this" "I should be allowed this" "I will take it anyway" This is seductive, easy, and the wrong way to go for most things. I understand the frustration. I have felt the same way many, many times. I suspect that if people who illegally downloaded movies posted money to the studios who created the content directly, then this problem would disappear pretty much overnight.

bkor 9y ago
> illegally downloaded movies posted money to the studios who created the content directly, then this problem would disappear pretty much overnight So if you cannot get something legally easily, you should support that practice and suddenly you'll get it more easily in future? This in a post about an article where Disney is making it more difficult to get content legally? Really?
boyce 9y ago
I'm discussing the product and service, no interest in moral or legal judgements.
- jamespo 9y ago
  Took a while to find an example of someone treating availability of other people's work on their own terms as a human right but here we are.
  - boyce 9y ago
    Just trying to look at things from the perspective of an average idiot who doesn't think too hard beyond "want X now" It needs to be easy as possible to let this person buy things Maybe you have some insight
coldtea 9y ago
>This is seductive, easy, and the wrong way to go for most things. Perhaps that's why people don't think that for other things, but constrain that argument to digital distribution. Note that the other way (accept whatever meagre or exorbitant distribution deals the content owner wants or stay without content) also has big issues, especially if one believes movies, music, books, etc are essential to culture.

vincnetas 9y ago

Pirating != stealing.

Joeri 9y ago
You may want to look up the dictionary definition of stealing. Besides, it's still harmful to others and therefore wrong.
- sgift 9y ago
  > it's still harmful to others and therefore wrong. If everything that was harmful to others would be seen as wrong we would live in a completely different world. Interestingly, people only make this connection for very few topics.
  - Joeri 9y ago
    Sounds like a better world to me. Anyway, it seems I hit a nerve. I used to be one of those piracy is not stealing people, back when I pirated content. Now that I pay for content I can look back at that person and understand that cognitive dissonance between my notion of myself as a good person and the fact that I was pirating content led me to consider piracy a good thing, or at the least not a bad thing. Because really, what is being said with the semantics argument "piracy != stealing"? It is about how harmful piracy is, whether it really is as bad as stealing, and fundamentally whether or not we should have copyright at all. If we should have copyright, then we must have legal tools to enforce it, and piracy must be illegal and wrong. If we shouldn't have copyright, then piracy is a form of freedom fighting and should be encouraged. My opinion on the matter is that we should have copyright, but that it should be more limited in duration, with stronger fair use exceptions (like the right to decrypt for the purpose of backup and archival). I don't care for the semantics argument. Call it piracy or call it stealing, it does not change what is being done: taking things without permission.
    - vincnetas 9y ago
      I'm not saying that pirating is good. I'm just saying that pirating does not mean "taking things without permission" aka stealing. It's copying things without permission. P.S. when i was young and poor i used to wear an eye patch, these days i'm paying for stuff.

ascagnel_ 9y ago

If you live in the US, the act of buying a movie and watching it immediately (without trailers or adverts) is about as simple as you can get. iTunes, Xbox Store, YouTube/Google Play, etc. all offer what are essentially one-click purchases and/or rentals, and the most you get is an interstitial menu defaulted to "play" (with other options for special features and jump to chapter).

Frank2312 9y ago
Except those are actually long-term rentals. What if Google or Apple or Microsoft, for whatever reason, decide to pull the plus on their service? Now you paid for nothing and don't own whichever movie you "bought" anymore.

nkkollaw 9y ago

Ha! Yes, the piracy ad is awesome... Instead of buying ad space on torrent sites (let's say), they lecture people who have actually bought the DVD. And, those who download the movie illegally can skip that, only those who actually have the DVD watch it. Absolutely retarded.

knodi123 9y ago

> and not have unskippable adverts The other day, I pirated a disney movie that I already own on DVD, because who the hell has the time to sit through 20 unskippable previews, and then an excessively animated DVD menu, and then go through a badly paginated list of scenes to try and find where you left off- but the streaming pirate site just let me click to the exact point I left off, within seconds.