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China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

• pyed 9y ago
  Disgusting
  • autopanopticon 9y ago
    Not to mention embarassingly ineffective.
    • kronos29296 9y ago
      Effectiveness has nothing to do with it. It is about sending a message and very strong one at that.
• stopthehate 9y ago
  This is exactly what trump has planned for America, if anyone deserves this it's the Christian extremists trying to stop abortions. You will all just sit back in comfort while hate and bigotry eat up the world.
• zython 9y ago
  >The app reportedly scans for the MD5 digital signatures of media files in the phone, and matches them to a stored database of offending files classified by the government as illegal "terrorist-related" media. What a dumb way to scan for "illegal" content, considering the goverment already controls their portion of the internet. So instead of monitoring who is accessing what they decide to compare checksums of files which can be trivially changed which would result in a completely new hash value. Seems like a very incompetent way of doing this.
  • caseysoftware 9y ago
    Yes, it does. But it could just be v1.. or it could be the govt describing a flawed approach so the resulting countermeasures are totally ineffective against the actual approach. For example, if the actual approach is extracting keyframes and comparing against a library of keyframes of existing content (legal and illegal) or doing object recognition within those frames, the "add a null byte!" countermeasures are meaningless.
  • Hasknewbie 9y ago
    In my opinion, in typical Beijing fashion the "competence" part of the equation is irrelevant. it's all about sending a message, loud and clear: "today we discriminate against YOU, by law, and there's nothing you can do about it". That the method used is laughably inefficient is not the point, it's all about keeping that boot in place on that throat, in a very visible manner.
    • saimiam 9y ago
      Couldn't agree more. Same with airline security theater, identifying citizens using biometric markers (Aadhar card in India), pernicious internet monitoring in the UK...the list goes on. I guess the idea is to use the dragnet to catch or deter a majority of the population from thought crimes and preserve resources for the real big fish.
  • jansho 9y ago
    Now now, let's not give any ideas shall we.
  • toast0 9y ago
    This is very competent. It identifies some people trafficking in prohibited files, and it also identifies the true danger to the state -- people willing to circumvent their rules; when you pick up someone for bad files, and he (or his phone) says his buddy sent them, but his buddy's friend didn't report in, his buddy is eligible for a lot more trouble.
    • excalibur 9y ago
      > MD5 > This is very competent.
      • kronos29296 9y ago
        Real men use CRC.
  • CyberDildonics 9y ago
    Not to mention that it should be entirely possible to find offending files and create files that have MD5 collisions with them, causing false positives.
    • blincoln 9y ago
      There is no publicly-known "preimage" attack against MD5. One would need to craft an offensive file and a non-offensive file themselves so that the hashes would match, then somehow get the offensive file into the official database.
  • blincoln 9y ago
    This is actually what digital forensics specialists do as well, although they've probably moved on from MD5 by now. I know there's been talk of "fuzzy hashes" as well, in order to catch files with trivial modifications, but when I studied forensics (about four years ago), that was still in the future. Searching hundreds of thousands or millions of files by hand would be impractical and for many types of offensive content, the authorities don't want to have to distribute the actual offensive content to the people who are doing the detection. i.e. in the US, possession of child pornography is such a serious federal crime that if one happens to discover it on a PC they are servicing, they (or their employer) are legally obligated to contact the FBI immediately. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to distribute a detection tool that basically contains the original images (in order to do GIS-style "find similar images" searches), because that tool would violate the law it was designed to help enforce. Short hashes can't be used to recreate the original images, so they're "safe" in that sense. It's not an ideal approach, but it works pretty well and fits within common constraints of the field.
    • jsjohnst 9y ago
      There's a Microsoft product called PhotoDNA that does a fairly decent job of finding near matches. It's specifically used by several major image hosting places (Facebook and Tumblr I can specifically attest to using it, at least in the past) to find CP content uploaded by users. The hashes are shared among the services using PhotoDNA via NCMEC.
  • intopieces 9y ago
    >which can be trivially changed Experiment: tomorrow, ask 5 people you know who are not software engineers how to change the MD5 checksum on a file that resides on their mobile device. Report the results here.
• mrkrabo 9y ago
  This is interesting. It goes to show how an autoritarian government can fix some problems in a more effective way. You can remove terrorist propaganda from YouTube, but how do you stop the spread of those videos in private platforms or messaging applications? And even if the first version of this spying app only checks for md5 sums, which is arguably useless, I'm sure they're working on something more effective.
  • sa-mao 9y ago
    You know how to fix the problem more effectively? try to find the root cause and fix it. It's simple and it works.
    • mrkrabo 9y ago
      The west has been trying to do that for decades. Things just get worse and worse. What do you propose?
      • yorwba 9y ago
        The West does not currently have much of a problem with violent separatism. Maybe someone got into a bar fight over Catalan independence or Brexit, but all recent conflicts I'm aware of were relatively peaceful. If you compare this to the situation in Northern Ireland, I'd say things have gotten much better.
        • bsaul 9y ago
          yougoslavian people will beg to differ. Civil war in a european country leading to the partition of the country into multiple states based on ethnic and religious criteria happened in europe just 25 years ago.
          • yorwba 9y ago
            I have a slightly different perspective on what counts as "recent", most likely because I am younger than that. I also looked up the Troubles for my previous comment; apparently they officially ended in 1998, which is even more recent. Take my comment as referring to the last 20ish years when I talk about things getting better.
• chrishowlin 9y ago
  Is this OS specific? It would be good to have more details on the mechanism this app is using. Presumably this can only scan media that is stored outside of apps?
• libeclipse 9y ago
  I can think of so many countermeasures. - Append a null byte to the end of your files, giving them a unique hash value. - Disallow internet access to the application. - Spoof the server using DNS tricks and control what is sent and received. - Reverse engineer the application to make it look as if it's working while it actually isn't. - Sandbox the application. - Use an alternative phone for all of your "sensitive" activities. - Don't keep "sensitive" information on phones, rather store on an encrypted computer. - Use an old burner phone. So not only is the policy utterly disgusting, it's also completely ineffective. A small blessing perhaps.
  • fiblye 9y ago
    How easy do you imagine not only finding information on how to follow through all of these steps, but actually acquire the needed materials (burners) within the strictly controlled PRC is?
    • thinkloop 9y ago
      Not to mention the likely extreme punishment if any of that was detected.
    • verelo 9y ago
      If the app is available for Android, pretty easy...just decompile and get hunting around for a few hours. You're almost certain to find something.
• jakobbuis 9y ago
  I suppose it would be easy to carry a secondary, hidden device and only use your primary device for inconspicuous activities?
  • dave_sullivan 9y ago
    It would likewise be easy for authorities to beat you within an inch of your life and jail you indefinitely for "hidden communication with a bad intent" or something similarly inane. They don't need you to unlock your phone for proof. "Countermeasures" don't matter when there're a million ways to terrorize you, your family, and your friends into submission. They just have to suspect you.
• buttcake 9y ago
  Wow, those chinese surely are totalitarian in the way they approach surveillance technology aren't they ? Good thing we have nothing like that. Only just closed hardware with closed or with some parts open complicated software mostly made by a few corporations which tend to and have in fact in past coopoerated with governments without even thinking about their customers.
  • libeclipse 9y ago
    Comparing potential backdoors in proprietary systems with forced installation of spyware on endpoint devices? I don't think they're the same.
    • kijin 9y ago
      Devil's advocate: Forced installation of highly visible spyware can be better in the sense that it makes people acutely aware of the fact that they're being spied on. From now on, separatists in Xinjiang will be reluctant to exchange their ideas on their phones and try to find other ways to communicate or circumvent the spyware. For example, someone might come up with a cracked version of the spyware that doesn't actually work although it looks okay upon casual inspection, and spread it like a virus in order to provide plausible deniability to people who are caught using it. On the other hand, if the surveillance apparatus were completely hidden, people will unknowingly expose sensitive communications to the authorities. Of course, if I were the Chinese official responsible for this policy, I would use highly visible and easily circumvented spyware in addition to backdoors and other more covert forms of surveillance. The spyware would just be a diversion.
      • astebbin 9y ago
        I think forced, public smartphone surveillance is absolutely worse than secret surveillance, in two ways. First, it has a strong chilling effect on free speech and free thought. In a country where the rule of law is not well-established, you can never be sure what the local officials consider "bad" speech. As a result, you keep your mouth shut more often, just in case. This takes a psychological toll on everyone surveilled, not just criminals. Second, dedicated criminals will now actively avoid the compromised smartphones and seek alternate means of communication. As others have noted, the current surveillance malware seems easy to circumvent. This is why spy agencies don't generally advertise their sources and methods.
• nunobrito 9y ago
  Its their country and their laws, trying to solve the problem of Islamic extremism on their own. In western countries, you get detained for years in Guantanamo under torture without knowing for sure why you got arrested. Young girls get married as early as 12 to creepy old dudes and there is no need to ask for installing spyware because the phones and communications are already tapped by default. Anyone criticizing China while permitting their own country to do worse is an hypocrite. Still waiting for the outrage about the mass surveillance from Amazon Echo, Google and others. Only the European Commission is doing something visible against this trend.
  • eivarv 9y ago
    Yes, but a hypocrite can still be right.
    • jack9 9y ago
      If you think there's a right and wrong, a hypocrite is usually right in either deed or stated intent...
      • eivarv 9y ago
        I didn't mean "right" in a moral sense, or even correct. Being a hypocrite is irrelevant with regard to what the hypocrite is saying.
  • CrazyHumanist 9y ago
    This kind of appeasement, the idea of minding only the business of your own country, seems a bit indefensible to me. And you cannot determine if one is a hypocrite just from a fact, there's no outrage, or can you? Many solves this problem their way, pointing out, talking about it, criticizing it and so forth.
    • nunobrito 9y ago
      When aptly criticizing another government as authoritarian and harassing a minority, while having their own government doing worse to the said minority, this can be seen by others as: a) exceptionalism (double standards) b) cognitive dissonance c) hypocrisy There is no higher moral ground on this situation so option c) would be suited. It is great when we strive to get better human rights for everyone, and yet the human rights for the citizens of another country are being threatened by religious extremists. How the government of this other country replies is really their own business whether we like it or not. Is it a mass violation of human rights? Perhaps. What made them reach such decision? We don't know either. Are we in the west doing any better? No. China is not bombing Syria nor toppling moderate Islamic governments in North Africa. This bad situation won't charge in our own turf while the majority of netizens think that this only happens in other turfs.
• lechiffre10 9y ago
  Chinazi
• logicchains 9y ago
  The headline is slightly misleading. It's not all muslim minorities in China: it's muslims living in the separatist Xinjiang region, who are ethnically Turkic. There are a non-insignificant number of muslims outside of Xinjiang, such as the Huizu, which are essentially Han Chinese muslims. Lots of the "terrorism" originating from Xinjiang has separatist rather than just religious motivations; I wouldn't be surprised if this is why the Chinese government is so keen to crack down. *Edit: the headline was originally 'China forces its Muslim minority to install spyware on their phones'
  • mustbesatire 9y ago
    Yeah and I'm sure not all blacks were slaves now right? Not all jews were genocided right? Cracking down on 'terrorism' is inhumane and disgusting. What you really mean is cracking down on anything that isn't cis-white-hetero-normative Christianity. This. Is. Trumps. Future. RESIST
  • em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
    When I read the headline, I immediately thought Xinjiang, because that is where they have the greatest concentration of Muslims and where they have had separatism issues. And then the first sentence starts with "China has ramped up surveillance measures in Xinjiang". So I don't consider the headline misleading at all. News sites necessarily have to use short titles. The lack of an exhaustive title shouldn't be criticized unless it is clearly clickbait or contradicts facts or the article.
    • logicchains 9y ago
      I meant the headline of the Hacker News post, not the headline of the article. The original Hacker News post headline was "China forces its Muslim minority to install spyware on their phones", which is incorrect in the sense it implies that China is forcing all its Muslims to install spyway on their phones.
      • libeclipse 9y ago
        That's the same as the headline on the article itself.
• pacificera 9y ago
  At least the citizens know they are being surveiled.
  • striking 9y ago
    That hardly changes how terrible these measures are. What's more, they seem technologically ineffective. As if the government were just trying to make a show of its power rather than provide real solutions. It's absolutely indefensible and you must know it, considering you opened a new account to comment this.
  • dionian 9y ago
    Yeah, now they can vote out the current gov... err.. nevermind. In all seriousness I think they all already knew that since long ago
  • kronos29296 9y ago
    Please read 1984 by George Orwell. Everybody knows its happening but nobody can stop it.
• OzzyB 9y ago
  First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Muslims—and everyone rejoiced in their unity of hating them together.
  • wavefunction 9y ago
    With your last line, I then have to hope they eventually came for 'everyone.'
    • grogenaut 9y ago
      The original ends like "and then they came for me and because I did not speak up before there was no one to speak up for me" https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392 https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=100...
  • jansho 9y ago
    That sent some shivers. I will never believe that everyone can hate Muslims that much. *typo
  • treehau5 9y ago
    Then they came for the Infidels -- and Allah and his messenger were glorified when the Fitnah were no more.
    • candiodari 9y ago
      There should be more coverage about that both Muslim religious law and practical law in Muslim societies is heavily racist, sexist, in open conflict with human rights, and that's being flexible. In theory, well islam was created by a warlord in a conflict where he committed a dozen genocides, religious and ethnic. It's bad. Very very disgustingly bad. I don't understand why this isn't seen as a serious problem.
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• sdiq 9y ago
  Elsewhere, I read that China doesn't allow Muslim civil servants and students from fasting during Ramadan. Was that only applying to this region or was applicable to other regions with non-Turkic Chinese Muslims?
  • dmoy 9y ago
    It's mostly just xinjiang that gets shit on. See e.g. http://time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-islam/ http://time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-isl... The TL;DR of it is that it has not much to do with religion specifically, and much to do with the region pushing for autonomy (which doesn't rate particularly high in the eyes of Beijing). (This is not to say it's ok, just stating the reality of the situation)
    • vslira 9y ago
      This is important to stress. It doesn't make the decision any less oppressive, but framing it as anti-muslim instead of anti-insubordination obscures Beijing's real priorities.
      • HowardMei 9y ago
        Yeah. In fact, the CCP has been pro-Hui Muslim to an extent that the Han majority fear the country will be Islamicized some day. The ordinary people's resentment towards Muslim stems from the Hui's abuse of political privileges to expand their religious strengths, such as Saria Law, to intervene Han people's daily life everywhere, from Ningxia, Gansu to Henan and Shandong, from Canteens, Schools to Police, Courts. In the meanwhile, the majority has little to zero knowledge about the Uyghurs because only a few Uyghur people live outside Xinjiang. The situation is really weird and there is a conspiracy theory saying that the CCP leadership has been controlled by the Hui Muslim. BTW, the Hui Muslim and the Uyghur Muslim have been enemies since the Qing Dynasty.
• xyzxyz998 9y ago
  Quoting a jewish friend from Europe: Muslims are the nicest quietest people when they're alone. Muslims are the vilest people when they're with their group. I don't like China but Muslims have only plundered and wanted a separate place for them wherever they go.
• virtuabhi 9y ago
  The most weird news I have heard from Xinjiang is when Chinese authorities forced Muslims to dance on streets - https://tribune.com.pk/story/871879/suppressing-religious-freedoms-chinese-imams-forced-to-dance-in-xinjiang-region/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/871879/suppressing-religious-fr...
  • cronjobma 9y ago
    this is absolutely sick. Why has this never reached the mainstream news?
    • draw_down 9y ago
      Indeed, why...
      • Alysha3434 9y ago
        I get paid over $95 per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I'd be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I've been doing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJ3KWPnqqs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJ3KWPnqqs
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    • AJ007 9y ago
      There is a lot of other stuff going on that is completely unreported. I would recommend talking to Uyghurs directly. Clearly China is trying to solidify their geographical borders by turning majority ethnic groups in those given regions in to minority groups of ever decreasing influence. This is straight out of a very old playbook for colonization. That they are able to so opening continue doing this in 2017 with so little global acknowledgement is only partially surprising.
      • HowardMei 9y ago
• cronjobma 9y ago
  Unfortunately, this isn't any different from what a variety of countries have been doing to muslims for the last 200 years. If your source of information is mainly the Media, I suggest you spend an afternoon browsing through Wikipedia and compare the numbers. The amount of terrorist attacks by 'so called muslims' (let's just say they are muslim for a moment) is minuscule by the amount of muslims killed by the west. Every single life matters, so let's put things in perspective. The west has occupied and terrorised muslim nations for 2 centuries, but since they control the media, they keep them in the category of 'bad guys'. This surveillance is disgusting. It's how muslims have been occupied and oppressed for 200 years. Those who oppose freedom should downvote this.
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  • mycat 9y ago
    why the downvotes
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  • mercurysmessage 9y ago
    Yea, from what I've seen it's mostly retaliation from surviving members of family and friends who were killed by Russia/US/Canada/UK etc, etc. The whole thing sucks all around.
  • hnbroseph 9y ago
    reads like isis recruitment.
• sl4i6j3o4i98g 9y ago
  Could we please get a copy of the apk? I feel we need a multi-pronged defense against such technologies: * Fake app, so people can pass a manual inspection of their device * Fake dataset, to feed so many false positives into their database it makes it time-cost prohibitive to investigate * Conflicting dataset - Duplicate MD5 strings matching 'bad' and 'good' files; may corrupt internal databases or provide plausible deniability
  • ascom 9y ago
    I downloaded it and decompiled it here, if anyone wants to take a look: https://mirrors.asun.co/chinese-spyware/ https://mirrors.asun.co/chinese-spyware/
    • sl4i6j3o4i98g 9y ago
      Legend! thank you.
      • sl4i6j3o4i98g 9y ago
        Product: Landa iTAP Vendor: http://www.landasoft.com/html/class/dsjfx/index.html http://www.landasoft.com/html/class/dsjfx/index.html C2 URL: http://bxaq.landaitap.com:22222/BXAQ/servlet/front/APPS?type=XXCJ http://bxaq.landaitap.com:22222/BXAQ/servlet/front/APPS?type... (HTTP POST) Update URL: http://47.93.5.238:8081/APP/VERSION/jingwangweishi_version/version.xml http://47.93.5.238:8081/APP/VERSION/jingwangweishi_version/v... Interesting features: MainActivity.this.scan = new SdcardScan("3GP,AMR,AVI,WEBM,FLV,IVX,M4A,MP3,MP4,MPG,RMVB,RAM,WMA,WMV,TXT,HTML,CHM,PNG,JPG", MainActivity.this.sdcardCallBack, true); String SBMC = isTRN(isNull(EssentialInformation.getSBMC())); String IMEI = isTRN(isNull(EssentialInformation.getIMEI(this))); String MAC = isTRN(isNull(EssentialInformation.getMacAddress(this))); String CSMC = isTRN(isNull(EssentialInformation.getPhoneCsModel())); String XH = isTRN(isNull(EssentialInformation.getPhoneModel())); String SJH = isTRN(isNull(EssentialInformation.getLineNum(this)));
        • aaron695 9y ago
• throw2016 9y ago
  No one cares about China or the people of Xinjiang. China probably cares more about them than anyone else. Human rights is just an opportunity for many to grandstand and make smug declarations while making the flimsiest of excuses with a straight face and hand waving away their own government's actions. Unfortunately so much water has flown under the bridge this is just not credible. What happened to the concern for all the refugees from Syria now, everyone is fighting to keep them away yet are happy to make sanctimonious statements feigning concern to justify destructive action that decimates entire countries and destroys millions of lives driven entirely by political and economic agendas. This kind of odious hypocrisy is just not tenable anymore.
  • gipp 9y ago
    So, what, ethical government is a nonsensical idea and we all just accept autocracy around the world? You're also putting a lot of words in people's mouths. Many or most of folks who have a problem with things like this are also the people concerned with their own government's actions abroad, and are _not_ those "fighting to keep [Syrian refugees] away". Everything can be made to look like hypocrisy if you just freely mix and match opinions of completely different people.
  • astebbin 9y ago
    Besides being (in my opinion) incorrect on many levels - for instance, Western countries continue to rescue and provide for NEMA refugees, if not granting them residency - the parent comment is a great example of "Whataboutism," a classic logical fallacy and Soviet propaganda technique: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  • mrkrabo 9y ago
    >What happened to the concern for all the refugees from Syria now, everyone is fighting to keep them away It was the media. I'm sure if people had voted to say whether they wanted the refugees in Europe or not, the "no" would've won. And as soon as refugees stopped giving them ratings, the media stopped talking about them, and that was it.
• paradite 9y ago
  Same intention, different approaches, move on to more interesting topics. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14823596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14823596
  • astebbin 9y ago
    How is pervasive, compulsive surveillance at all comparable to redirected search queries for extremist content by a private business?
    • paradite 9y ago
      They were both intended to counter terrorism and one of them is more effective than the other. I guess a better analogy would be: "How is negotiation comparable to shooting?" "When they were used to free the hostage."
  • specializeded 9y ago
    Always one for facile comparisons between China and developed entities aren’t we paradite? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14763085 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14763085 Your response to me back then seemed in good faith, if a bit naive. This continued trend of blatant propagandizing is a bit worrying though. Perhaps change it up so your work isn’t immediately recognizable? Even sounding the least bit neutral would probably be enough to blend in.
    • paradite 9y ago
      Let's focus on meaningful and substantial discussions instead of derailing into personal attacks. Happy to reply if you have anything interesting to say.
      • specializeded 9y ago
        I’d be happy to attack if you had anything worthwhile to dispute. Consider my criticism and one day you might.
• bnolsen 9y ago
  Considering the "muslim minorities" went on a wild random stabbing campaign and randomly injected people with some sort of syringes in public places, AND entry into restaurands and stores all include metal detectors and xray scanners and armed troops are standing everywhere, I'd say there's already been a war declared by the minorities against the chinese there. Just in case you are wondering my wife has family who live in different parts of xinjiang. A couple of summers ago during the worst of it before all the above equipment was deployed many people were afraid to go outside their homes. I was talking with my wife this morning and other parts of western china (not xinjiang) have some issues with radicalization. The muslims have been on a non stop jihad since its inception and this is just a continuation of it. We could also go over what's been happening in the russian republics (like kazakhstan) which also have been feeling the effects of "invasion".
  • goodplay 9y ago
    >Considering the "muslim minorities" went on a wild random stabbing campaign and randomly injected people with some sort of syringes in public places[...] What percentage of those "muslim minorities" actually took part in those acts? Does that percentage justify treating everyone who qualifies as "muslim minorities" like a criminal? > The muslims have been on a non stop jihad since its inception and this is just a continuation of it. That's not remotely true despite what extremists on both sides like to delude themselves into believing.
    • hnbroseph 9y ago
      the majority of nazis were reasonable people. why treat nazis as a whole so poorly? the issue isn't 'percentage' of active agents, or 'supportive' agents. it's about ideologies with structural support for violence and oppression. > That's not remotely true how do you think islam spread historically? peaceful dialog over tea? a rather significant contribution was conquest and the 'education' of other people's children in the 'islamic worldview'.
  • praulv 9y ago
    I cannot believe I am reading such utter claptrap on HN. So this is become the new Breitbart/Der Sturmer comments section? Then again, it didn't take me too long to look up your little gun obsession on reddit.
• kronos29296 9y ago
  Somehow china is becoming Ingsoc from 1984. Control people, censorship, Dictator state with no prospect of change, monitoring people, big brother is watching you type stuff among other things. Just a week ago I read about traffic warnings personalised by face recognition. Now this. Soon China might become Ingsoc with Minlove and Double think and what not.
  • raverbashing 9y ago
    And this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI
    • kronos29296 9y ago
      Well damn. I am happy that I am not there.
• kawera 9y ago
  And they're also targeting kazakhs according to this article I posted 5 days ago but got no comments: http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-orders-xinjiangs.. http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-orders-xinjiangs....
  • tristanj 9y ago
    Your post [1] was autokilled because rfa.org is on the banned domains list. Try submitting something from rfa.org and it doesn't show up on new [2]. pg wrote a bit about banned domains here [3]. I don't think rfa.org should be banned, perhaps message the admins and they'll take it off the banned domains list. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14785838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14785838 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=rfa.org https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=rfa.org [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=499044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=499044
• piyushmakhija 9y ago
  This is an insightful documentary on this topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IwwnP5e78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IwwnP5e78
• CurrencyDigest 9y ago
  China has had some bad experiences with foreign religions. Back in the 1800's some guy who failed his civil servant exam started going around telling people that he was Jesus Christ's younger brother. Next thing you know, he has his own kingdom, starts a war, and tens of millions are dead. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion The high-estimate of total dead from the Taiping Rebellion exceeds World War 2. Crazy