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Any content hosted outside China is very slow for chinese users. So if you're serious about serving content in Mainland China, you will first need to obtain an

Any content hosted outside China is very slow for chinese users. So if you're serious about serving content in Mainland China, you will first need to obtain an ICP license. Only then you will be able to use the Mainland CDN and cloud instances.

redthrowaway 9y ago
And pretty much everything useful is blocked. We rolled out an update that broke our app for all of China, because cloudfront was blocked. That was a new one for me. Having spent a painfully slow 10 hours in the airport in Beijing let me appreciate just how much of the Internet breaks when you block the biggest sites. Serve up jQuery through googleapis.com? Not in China, you don't. Hope it wasn't doing any heavy lifting for you.
- chrischen 9y ago
  > And pretty much everything useful is blocked Anything useful for foreigners. Their policy is more about protectionism than censorship.
  - yinhm 9y ago
    This is just plain wrong. CCP only cares about steal wealth from ppl and shut everyone that tell the truth. This: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO3pO3ykAUybrjv3RBbXEHw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO3pO3ykAUybrjv3RBbXEHw , and this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/world/asia/liu-xiaobo-dead.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/world/asia/liu-xiaobo-dea... , etc, etc. The truth and the political dissidents voices is what they really afraid of.
  - pducks32 9y ago
    That is categorically false. Chinese communism is strongly influenced by nationalism and protectionism comes from that but make no mistake that their goal is censorship.
    - chrischen 9y ago
      They could easily force foreign companies to operate under a strong censorship regime if that were their main goal. Facebook basically bends to the will of every market it operates in. However they clearly prefer local startups and makes it generally difficult for foreign companies to purely exploit the Chinese market. Joint ventures are always required at the least.
- deleted 9y ago
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gonyea 9y ago
Azure in Hong Kong is quite zippy. Even in the depths of inner-China. I was very impressed... and I'd rather host my stuff with Microsoft. I doubt Alibaba would ever care about protecting your data.
- gscott 9y ago
  Any company that cares about protecting your data can't operate in China.
  - honestoHeminway 9y ago
    Not Sure Agree
- jonmaim 9y ago
  Good to know!
- chii 9y ago
  > Azure in Hong Kong Sources tell me that the azure infrastructure there are not actually operated by microsoft, but by a subcontractor, and merely licenses the name from microsoft. I would be quite wary of assuming that microsoft policies apply there.
  - discordance 9y ago
    Correct. It's public knowledge that 21Vianet operates The DCs behind Azure in China.

redthrowaway 9y ago

And pretty much everything useful is blocked. We rolled out an update that broke our app for all of China, because cloudfront was blocked. That was a new one for me. Having spent a painfully slow 10 hours in the airport in Beijing let me appreciate just how much of the Internet breaks when you block the biggest sites. Serve up jQuery through googleapis.com? Not in China, you don't. Hope it wasn't doing any heavy lifting for you.

chrischen 9y ago
> And pretty much everything useful is blocked Anything useful for foreigners. Their policy is more about protectionism than censorship.
- yinhm 9y ago
  This is just plain wrong. CCP only cares about steal wealth from ppl and shut everyone that tell the truth. This: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO3pO3ykAUybrjv3RBbXEHw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO3pO3ykAUybrjv3RBbXEHw , and this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/world/asia/liu-xiaobo-dead.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/world/asia/liu-xiaobo-dea... , etc, etc. The truth and the political dissidents voices is what they really afraid of.
- pducks32 9y ago
  That is categorically false. Chinese communism is strongly influenced by nationalism and protectionism comes from that but make no mistake that their goal is censorship.
  - chrischen 9y ago
    They could easily force foreign companies to operate under a strong censorship regime if that were their main goal. Facebook basically bends to the will of every market it operates in. However they clearly prefer local startups and makes it generally difficult for foreign companies to purely exploit the Chinese market. Joint ventures are always required at the least.
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gonyea 9y ago

Azure in Hong Kong is quite zippy. Even in the depths of inner-China. I was very impressed... and I'd rather host my stuff with Microsoft. I doubt Alibaba would ever care about protecting your data.

gscott 9y ago
Any company that cares about protecting your data can't operate in China.
- honestoHeminway 9y ago
  Not Sure Agree
jonmaim 9y ago
Good to know!
chii 9y ago
> Azure in Hong Kong Sources tell me that the azure infrastructure there are not actually operated by microsoft, but by a subcontractor, and merely licenses the name from microsoft. I would be quite wary of assuming that microsoft policies apply there.
- discordance 9y ago
  Correct. It's public knowledge that 21Vianet operates The DCs behind Azure in China.