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http://nypost.com/2014/10/13/restaurant-fights-yelps-alleged-extortion/ http://nypost.com/2014/10/13/restaurant-fights-yelps-alleged... Restaurant tells everyo

by kefka 9y ago

http://nypost.com/2014/10/13/restaurant-fights-yelps-alleged-extortion/ http://nypost.com/2014/10/13/restaurant-fights-yelps-alleged... Restaurant tells everyone to leave bad ratings, because good ratings are hidden since they didn't pay extortion. ----------------------------- https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/zdq0f/yelp_is_blackmailing_my_sisters_restaurant/ https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/zdq0f/yelp_is_blackma... Yelp "makes 4-5 star reviews go away" when restaurant refuses to pay extortion. ----------------------------- http://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-yelps-blackmail-lawsuit-ceo-stoppelman-seems-to-hate-his-advertisers/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-yelps-blackmail-lawsuit-c... Stoppelman says that businesses want to control their reputation, and Yelp's position is to charge for that. Question here is, if money means hiding bad reviews, is that extortion? Sure seems so. ----------------------------- https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2014/09/03/court-says-yelp-doesnt-extort-businesses/#2be47f8a6e4a https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2014/09/03/court-sa... The courts said that "Pay to Play" isn't strictly extortion. And claims that Yelp themselves wrote bad reviews were unsubstantiated (no proof, server logs can be a 'tricksy' thing....). ----------------------------- https://www.cnet.com/news/to-mock-yelp-restaurant-asks-customers-for-awful-reviews/ https://www.cnet.com/news/to-mock-yelp-restaurant-asks-custo... This has gotten bad enough, that businesses are telling customers to seed YELP with good "Bad reviews". ----------------------------- Seriously, when they call, and you fail to pay, your page on YELP goes to the toilet. How much "proof" do you need? There seems to be a misdirection by blaming 3rd party customers, but seriously. They're using blackmail as their market strategy.

keymone 9y ago
> Restaurant tells everyone to leave bad ratings so a PR campaign, > https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/zdq0f.. https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/zdq0f... top comment from the same page: so, I found the Yelp page, and there are 26 reviews filtered out. Of those, the reviewers have a combined 27 friends, and they all come from just 5 people. None of them has more than 15 reviews, and the majority have less than 3. If you have almost no friends and almost no reviews, your reviews are probably going to get filtered out. Also, a lot of her 5-star reviews happened in a 3-day period, which reeks of fake-reviews, > Question here is, if money means hiding bad reviews, is that extortion? you have not yet demonstrated "money means hiding bad reviews" but already sure it's extortion, > Forbes article - Court Says Yelp Doesn't Extort Businesses oooook? > cnet article article about same business from your first link > when they call, and you fail to pay, your page on YELP goes to the toilet. How much "proof" do you need? you've made a claim, i believe you forgot to include the "proof"? that specific claim by the way is trivially demonstrable using wayback machine
- kefka 9y ago
  You've been consistently a bad actor here, regarding Yelp. So, I searched google with "keymone yelp" (keymone is the HN username), and found the following: https://github.com/keymone https://github.com/keymone [Name Removed] Yelp Hamburg, Germany http://www.yelp.com http://www.yelp.com Organizations @Yelp Hmm...... Uusally people with direct interests (like yourself), will properly disclaim (I WORK FOR X, BUT NOT THEIR OPINIONS). _________________________________ https://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1zHW3SSTF3RFjHkgHzRQvw https://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1zHW3SSTF3RFjHkgHzR... Same pic as the Github profile. Certainly not a coincidence. _________________________________ https://twitter.com/keymone https://twitter.com/keymone Again, this says "happy developer" at Yelp.com _________________________________ Yeah, I'd suggest if you were to play the devil's advocate, I would properly disclaim that "[You] work at Yelp as a developer" instead of me playing guessing games and finally google your name and see dozens of profiles with the same Skiing pic. Frankly, you prove more of what I'm saying. So, tell me. How many proxies do you use when you seed bad reviews for companies that don't pay up? Because already, what you're doing is SHADY SHIT.

by kefka 9y ago

keymone 9y ago

> Restaurant tells everyone to leave bad ratings so a PR campaign, > https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/zdq0f.. https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/zdq0f... top comment from the same page: so, I found the Yelp page, and there are 26 reviews filtered out. Of those, the reviewers have a combined 27 friends, and they all come from just 5 people. None of them has more than 15 reviews, and the majority have less than 3. If you have almost no friends and almost no reviews, your reviews are probably going to get filtered out. Also, a lot of her 5-star reviews happened in a 3-day period, which reeks of fake-reviews, > Question here is, if money means hiding bad reviews, is that extortion? you have not yet demonstrated "money means hiding bad reviews" but already sure it's extortion, > Forbes article - Court Says Yelp Doesn't Extort Businesses oooook? > cnet article article about same business from your first link > when they call, and you fail to pay, your page on YELP goes to the toilet. How much "proof" do you need? you've made a claim, i believe you forgot to include the "proof"? that specific claim by the way is trivially demonstrable using wayback machine

kefka 9y ago
You've been consistently a bad actor here, regarding Yelp. So, I searched google with "keymone yelp" (keymone is the HN username), and found the following: https://github.com/keymone https://github.com/keymone [Name Removed] Yelp Hamburg, Germany http://www.yelp.com http://www.yelp.com Organizations @Yelp Hmm...... Uusally people with direct interests (like yourself), will properly disclaim (I WORK FOR X, BUT NOT THEIR OPINIONS). _________________________________ https://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1zHW3SSTF3RFjHkgHzRQvw https://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1zHW3SSTF3RFjHkgHzR... Same pic as the Github profile. Certainly not a coincidence. _________________________________ https://twitter.com/keymone https://twitter.com/keymone Again, this says "happy developer" at Yelp.com _________________________________ Yeah, I'd suggest if you were to play the devil's advocate, I would properly disclaim that "[You] work at Yelp as a developer" instead of me playing guessing games and finally google your name and see dozens of profiles with the same Skiing pic. Frankly, you prove more of what I'm saying. So, tell me. How many proxies do you use when you seed bad reviews for companies that don't pay up? Because already, what you're doing is SHADY SHIT.