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I hope not. The pay of developers is horrible compared to silicon valley.
by pottersbasilisk 9y ago
I hope not.
The pay of developers is horrible compared to silicon valley.
- DarkKomunalec 9y agoIs that scaled to cost of living?
- cirgue 9y agoNo, not by a long shot.
- ews 9y agoThis. I moved from SF to Berlin accepting a 40% paycut. My standard of living in Germany was probably 2.5x compared to California. However, I decided to go back to San Francisco. There is definitely much more interesting work in Silicon Valley, at least in my field. This may change over time but I am not holding my breath.
- tzakrajs 9y agoMakes you reconsider what quality of living really means.
- friendlyfireman 9y agoDifferent people have different priorities. EU may be a better fit for some, while SV is for others.
- cmdkeen 9y agoHere's the thing with pay scaled to cost of living, it means things like pension contributions, ability to save, any property you purchase, are also scaled. There's a reason so many people flock to expensive cities early in their careers. Very early stage startups might be able to move around Europe for a short period for cheap rents, you're going to be much less able to recruit staff (i.e. non-founders) to move from the West to Slovakia (as mentioned) to work for Slovakian wages.
- aries1980 9y agoStaff should be compensate based on the value of they provide rather than their living standard needs.
- aries1980 9y agoSo, based on having -1 points on my comment, I can summarise your thoughts: employee compensation should be based on the living standard they needs, rather than the value they create. In sarcastic way: to max out your next a payrise, move to the most expensive city and buy a Pagani. That's an odd thought.
- KitDuncan 9y agoThe cost of living is also a fraction of the one in silicon valley. I stayed in Silicon Valley for a few months and compared to Munich, the quality of living is complete horse shit, to be honest. And Munich is the most expensive city in Germany.
- tzakrajs 9y agoWhat part of Silicon Valley? I am curious where the quality of living is horseshit.
- KitDuncan 9y agoNo I wouldn't call it horseshit. What I said was, that compared to Munich, it's horseshit. But that's totally just an opinion. I lived in Mountain View.
- throwfoodinsv 9y agofood in Germany is horseshit. I can get amazing Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese/Thai/American food in SV. and very good French/Italian in SF.
- Bahamut 9y agoEh, I love it in Mountain View, but it isn't for everyone. I run a lot with friends, and there are a lot of great areas to run nearby (and in the Bay Area in general).
- azernik 9y agoEverywhere? Once you get used to functioning public services (transit especially), density of services (groceries, cafes), and a decent return on your tax dollars for things like retirement savings and health care, even the Bay starts to pale. That's not to say that all parts of Europe are better to live in than all parts of the US; but rich, central urban areas of the kind that techies can afford to live in are fantastic in Western Europe.
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- mcbetz 9y agoI wonder: Would this argument still be true if you counted in the cost of living (which varies massively across Europe and also within countries and even cities). Europe is not only Paris and Berlin, in Germany actually the economic powerhorses often are based in the countryside (or close to larger cities) and cost of living is very okay.
- Thaxll 9y agoThey probably don't pay 1.5k/month to live in a RV.
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- geff82 9y agoMaybe pay in startups is not good, but if you need a kick of money, go contracting in big business and get wealthy... there is more than startups to tech.