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I think we should always pay attention to the other side of the story before we buy into the allegations. I am not playing down the possible harassment of any
by tn135 9y ago
I think we should always pay attention to the other side of the story before we buy into the allegations.
I am not playing down the possible harassment of any employee but let us not be blinded by the allegations alone either.
- cpncrunch 9y agoIf it was just general allegations about sexual behaviour at the workplace, I would be a bit skeptical. However when they provide concrete factual examples, it seems somewhat unlikely that it would be completely made up.
- tn135 9y agoActually I see what might be the source of those allegations. My office has a sleeping space and we have all sort of names for it including 'man cave', 'room where bad things happen' etc. etc. I can totally see how a disgruntled employee can convert it into "kink room" where people have sex. On various office parties we had hired strippers and escorts and while none of them were prostitutes I can totally see how it can be reconstructed. We have gone to clubs to pick up women and discussed strategies. All this in my opinion is perfectly normal and yet can be represented in a negative way. EDIT: Strippers were not hired by employer but everyone contributed their own money for team event.
- beedogs 9y agoIf your office has a place to sleep, your company is probably taking advantage of you. If it's renting strippers, it's probably a pretty misogynist culture, as well. Sounds like an exhausting and terrible place to work, frankly.
- tn135 9y agoI am unable to understand what is misogynist about renting strippers. Strippers are professionals like many of us here and also get paid hourly like some of us for their skills.
- beedogs 9y ago... Jesus Christ.
- avaer 9y agoI guess it wouldn't be misogynist if everyone at the office felt free to hire themselves sex entertainment regardless of gender. But that's allegedly not the dynamic here.
- tn135 9y agoI am not sure why everyone should feel comfortable with everyone else's choices. Do people think everyone should like the movie that most people are going for ?
- gotothedoctor 9y agoHow people feel is irrelevant; but based on federal law, the US Constitution, whatever local laws there may be & decades of judicial precedent, what you describe would expose any US employer to an enormous amount of liability. Its not normal or legal--& it can be very expensive.
- beedogs 9y agoYou should probably just stop commenting at this point.
- skybrian 9y agoYou apparently don't work somewhere normal. Hiring strippers and escorts for an office party: not normal.
- neom 9y agolol....uh... huh? Is this an elaborate troll?
- Noted 9y agoI would say hiring strippers and escorts for office parties is not "perfectly normal". I don't think that there would really need to be any other representation for that to be viewed negatively.
- gotothedoctor 9y agoIf you work in the US, you are describing what lawyers will call a 'hostile workplace' when your employers are, based on your description alone, successfully sued for discrimination. This is not perfectly normal in any professional setting. More and more often, it has real professional and legal consequences.
- dang 9y agoWith this (edit: and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14346174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14346174) you're recreating the very dynamic on HN itself that stories like this describe happening in the workplace, which leave so many of us shaking our heads in disbelief. I don't mean the disbelief of 'that never happens' but the disbelief of 'who does this'. No, it is not "perfectly normal". It's gross and beyond the pale. Since we just had a whole conversation with you about bad HN comments and the very next day you come out with this, I've banned this account.
- dang 9y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14346056 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14346056 and marked it off-topic. We also banned this account for trolling, as explained below.